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| NinetyTD4 Member Since: 22 Apr 2011 Location: North Posts: 397   
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I had the opportunity to drive a friends New Defender 'Supercomputer on Wheels' on the weekend and the first thing I noticed - it does not even support wireless Apple Carplay, I had to plug in the iPhone to the USB port. Come on Landrover, we are in 2020, you market this car as being top notch supercomputer technology ... Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
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15th Jun 2020 10:27am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16913  
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When I was in the trade many years ago, it was normal for cars to be shipped to main dealers in a condition which required prep work prior to sale. In those days the most significant job was to remove the coating of protective wax that was applied to all our new cars (Peugeots, as it happens) as they left the factory to protect them during transit. It was also the case that we were the final pre-customer QC inspection, and it was surprising how many time shut lines needed adjusting, tools were missing, or of course dealer-fitted accessories had to be fitted (on some occasions "factory fitted" accessories were also fitted). What was surprising even in those days was the number of serious paintwork defects that used to arrive on new cars, and that is before the body damage that would sometime happen on the transporter. As a youngster it was a shock to me that the "new" car someone bought might already have had extensive panel work and respraying without the customer even knowing. Whilst I believe that factory QC has improved dramatically for just about all makes I am sure that there are still vehicles which slip through (like the PowerfulUK Defender), and seeing new vehicles on transporters these days also makes it very evident that although wax is no longer the preferred protection mechanism there is still a lot to do before the vehicle that rolls of the transporter is ready to roll out of the showroom. As far as I am aware also all manufacturers still require a PDI to take place, but the details of how it is funded would, I imagine, be down to the contract between the manufacturer and the dealer, possibly factored into the price of the vehicle. I do know from insider information in the not too distant past that JLR is pretty draconian about what dealers can charge for warranty and similar repairs, and I imagine that the balance between doing a decent job and getting paid for it by JLR is not easy. After all if your vehicle is in for a warranty repair, it is the dealer who you hold responsible for the standard of the repair, whereas it is actually JLR which determines how long the job can take and what work can actually be done. |
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15th Jun 2020 10:42am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997 
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Blackwolf, your post reminded me of my mate who worked his entire life in bodyshops and he always used to say that a good percentage of his work was repairing brand new cars before they went to the customer, especially transporter damage. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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15th Jun 2020 11:04am |
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| goodtimes Member Since: 04 Jan 2020 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 29 
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My dealer informed me wireless Apple CarPlay will be available after a software update later on. Thus far, BMW is the only manufacturer that has offered wireless CarPlay connectivity to my and my dealer’s knowledge. |
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15th Jun 2020 11:26am |
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| Patriot0290 Member Since: 15 Jun 2020 Location: Texas Posts: 28
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^^ Also on the 2020 Porsche 911S.
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15th Jun 2020 3:33pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2599  
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Land Rover Defender + Honda Element Mashup Is So Wrong, It’s Right: https://sports.yahoo.com/land-rover-defend...54216.html "A perfect front end swap. The new Land Rover Defender is finally here and after decades of selling the same design, the Defender finally had to contend with modern design influences. The new defender promises to bring the classic rugged Defender into the modern age blending cutting-edge tech with timeless durability. The exterior design of the new Defender has caused the greatest stir and today’s rendering will certainly keep this conversation going. The team over at car front swaps has made their mark on the new Land Rover Defender grafting the front end of the Honda Element on to the front of the Defender. The results are surprisingly cohesive which is probably not something Defender fans want to hear right now. But there’s no denying that the front end of the Honda Element looks right at home on the Land Rover Defender matching the rest of the design seamlessly."  Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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15th Jun 2020 4:17pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2290 
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In the good old days... if you were so inclined, you could endlessly get out of trouble with a few well placed hammer blows if you found that you had over stepped your skill level... this kind of wrap around plastic nonsense is a further negative styling based - zero functional add on that possibly the new defender will attract in increasing numbers... it is right up there with the plastic bonnet tread panels... remove all other words to leave only mashup So sad  SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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15th Jun 2020 4:42pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16913
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I think that actually looks better!
OK, I'll get my coat. |
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15th Jun 2020 4:53pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2525  
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I remember the days when the Land Rover Assist chap arrived in a sign written Discovery 3 / 4. not thinly disguised as an AA person as shown on the video. Just to add some balance, on the way back from Tilford (Surrey) today there was an AA transporter than had a 57 plate 110 USW on the back and further along a 2020 FFRR that had just been picked up, not the best when it comes to the publics perception on the brand . I guess Gerry will design some nice covers for the AA to throw over the vehicles as the come to collected them. |
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15th Jun 2020 5:51pm |
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poor performance is what the dealer appears to have told him and the way they have treated him. He's quite literally their lifeblood in these times and they appear to have no concept of customer service.
| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Before getting my car,I don’t know why, but I thought that the headlights were faired in with a large lense cover over the light but there isn’t anything there, the headlight is well recessed but here’s no big Perspex lens cover- could lead to an expensive repair if you get a low branch springing back onto the light fitting if J77’s comment about the cost of his Velar’s light unit Replacement is anything to go by and there are no light guards offered in the accessories...... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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15th Jun 2020 5:53pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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They're a bit cheaper...
Matrix headlamps, £1,495 +VAT each ~ unless you want LHD https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72778.html |
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15th Jun 2020 6:14pm |
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| labbix Member Since: 15 Jun 2020 Location: Albania Posts: 9 |
Hi to you all.
Coming from a D4 and D5 and was interested in the new Defender, but maybe I’ll stick to the D5... Have read most of the comments with lots of interest and was negatively ‘surprised’ with the not connected gpf! But that most interesting video (although I liked the D4 comparison video a lot as well!) from powerful UK just got ‘deleted’ (put on private). So probably JLR is still following this thread/powerful UK and while errors happen with every make I really had hoped the new Defender would have it ‘all’ right from the start as really everybody is now looking at the Defenders reliability and this is just a very very bad start... truly disappointing, especially as 2 call outs didn’t work either and dealer didn’t notice. I’m moving to East Africa soon and really don’t want that kind of experience in the middle of nowhere! |
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15th Jun 2020 6:54pm |
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| Stuff Member Since: 06 Feb 2017 Location: Between cradle and grave Posts: 41 |
JLR trading update today. Another 1,000 jobs to go in UK. New Defender has attracted 22,000 pre-orders, only slightly more than the last year’s sales of the old Defender. Source: Financial Times, citing JLR.
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15th Jun 2020 7:20pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It looks like the original collection video, where the problem 1st showed itself after 11 miles has gone as well. So I guess this never happened then: Click image to enlarge Makes me feel... well like this: Click image to enlarge |
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15th Jun 2020 7:44pm |
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