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windy81



Member Since: 14 Mar 2018
Location: North Wales
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Wales 1992 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Firenze Red
i have so little interest in the new Defender because it won't be a Defender.
Post #772451 10th May 2019 12:39pm
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PCM



Member Since: 25 Jan 2019
Location: North East
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United Kingdom 
Sometimes the designers get it right. Lets wait and see what it looks like in the flesh. Doesnæt take a lot to respect the heritage of the previous model and still bring it up to modern standards.
I think the new VW camper is the best of them all.











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Post #772462 10th May 2019 1:33pm
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tookaphotoof



Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
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Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
013A, correct. Not trying to act like an arse but I don’t have the patience to watch a vid. On a forum I rather have people post a short comments instead of long videos.
Anyways, unlike most of the Defender owners I’m going to wait before my judgement.
Probably not going to buy one myself. But that’s because I can’t imagine the car costing less than 60k euro in Holland. A Wrangler does 100k easily including tax today. Laughing
Post #772490 10th May 2019 4:02pm
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22900013A



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Location: Oxfordshire
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green
Fair enough but please dont just assume it's a hate-rant, it isn't! 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"
Post #772502 10th May 2019 4:55pm
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Orchard



Member Since: 07 May 2015
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Where do you buy the x-ray eyes to see what shape the headlights are and whether it has Alpine lights etc. etc. ?

I think there are basically two camps here:
1. If it's not like 'my' image of what it should be (cherry picker, pick up, weldable by your mate or whatever) then I'm not going to like it
2. If it is a reinvention of a Defender (not a direct replacement), goes off road like nothing else, ensures Land Rovers survival - bring it on
For either we should wait and judge the real thing, not a still heavily disguised version or one my mate saw in camo and thought it looked crap 2015 90 XS SW Bowler
1998 TD5 CSW
Post #772512 10th May 2019 5:29pm
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diduan



Member Since: 13 Oct 2016
Location: Central Balkan
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Bulgaria 
I would be rather interested in the axle shafts diameter, differentials, monting points for front, rear, side protection, gear box and transfer case...its all unknown yet. Il Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt
Post #772520 10th May 2019 5:54pm
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rover



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Another over priced, over complicated piece of poo built for urbanites with more money than sense,


True off road vehicles don’t have independent suspension on air bags, radiators mounted in front of the front wheels, 18 plus alloy wheels, and over turbo reliant 2.0 engines.

The Gerry guy with the awful poodle perm mullet started with the freelander and now we have this.

Land Rover needs putting out of its misery so it can rip.

Harsh but true.

The future i am afraid is Jeep, Toyota and ford.
Post #772522 10th May 2019 5:56pm
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mikelike



Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
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Harsh Rover , but too true !

I am so disappointed , hey it might look ok , but it is another SUV .

Land Rover showrooms look bland now without some kind of commercial vehicle in them .

Land Rover is a marmite brand , and will this suv bring a storm of new customers in the door ?

I say , some for twelve months , but not many .

Is this the creation that is going to restore brand Kudos that has been dissipating for years ?

No because of its excessive complexities , purchase price and no doubt running costs .

Like all JLR products the deprecation is going to be painful , because this is another mass produced SUV.

The Defender was an exclusive vehicle with plenty of faults , but it had Kudos .

And a trip down the road , always felt special , despite most motorists not really getting it .

The word is out and has been for years , you don't buy a Land Rover !

Despite more and more JLR models , there sales are falling , not good for there survival ,

Jeep outsold them in there home market of Europe ,

And the C E O admits Defender2 is going to be a tough launch ,

Talk about an admission of defeat before it is even launched ,

Unbelievable , Ever hear this comment from the Japanese ??
Post #772548 10th May 2019 9:07pm
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Zed



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
PCM wrote:
Sometimes the designers get it right. Lets wait and see what it looks like in the flesh. Doesnæt take a lot to respect the heritage of the previous model and still bring it up to modern standards.
I think the new VW camper is the best of them all.











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None of those look anywhere near as good as the originals and I'd be surprised if they sold as many either. From a design point of view it's just too much of a leap doing that to a classic and the result ends being an ersatz version or pastiche. Generally I prefer it when cars are improved over time and evolve like the 911, G Class etc. Although one notable exception is the Fiat 500 which is arguably a worthy successor.
Post #772554 10th May 2019 9:48pm
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Naks



Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
https://carbuzz.com/news/land-rover-will-never-be-the-same-again

Quote:
...starting later this year, all new Land Rovers will permanently drop diesel in favor of hybrid or plug-in hybrid drivetrains...

Even the reborn Defender, due to be unveiled in September, will be sold as a mild-hybrid or plug-in hybrid. Land Rover is reportedly fully aware of concerns that the Defender’s electrically powered rear axle will hinder off-road performance but rest assured, there’s no reason to worry.

In fact, off-road capabilities will improve because the electric motor provides instant torque and it’s also more controllable than today’s rear axle. An all-electric Defender has not been confirmed, but nor has it been denied.
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #773380 16th May 2019 4:26pm
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DSC-off



Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
"The Discovery Sport will be completely reinvented in the near future as well. Once Land Rover’s best-seller, it’s taken a hit recently from fresh competition. Not only will the new model receive the same electrification treatment as the rest of the lineup, but it’ll become more luxurious as well."

So the Freelander continues to move upmarket, and no doubt get more expensive. With no model below it sub £32K and no honest, "non-premium" model in the range, I'm not sure how that will improve sales for the brand.
Post #773417 16th May 2019 7:38pm
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Naks



Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
new photos from Spain, with what looks like a retractable canvas roof or just disguising the panoramic sunroof?

Also, note the dash-mounted gearshift lever.

https://www.motor.es/noticias/land-rover-d...57401.html



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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #773558 17th May 2019 12:35pm
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mikelike



Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
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So that horrible interior pic leaked , is exactly like this !

Tata get rid of it now while Peugeot might still be interested .

In fact this so called Defender is looking something very odd ball ,

Suit the French !
Post #773685 18th May 2019 9:07am
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markb110



Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
Agreed Mike.


It leaves me cold, I hate the dash location of the gear selector - reminds me of the Fiat Multipla.


Do people really want seating for three abreast and not have a cubby box / arm rest, does anyone really want to sit in the middle and get elbowed by the driver for the duration of a journey?


I guess we have to fear the worse, hope for the best and not be surprised if LR blow it.
Post #773748 18th May 2019 7:17pm
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Disco_Mikey



Member Since: 16 Nov 2014
Location: Dundee
Posts: 531

Scotland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green
rover wrote:
Another over priced, over complicated piece of poo built for urbanites with more money than sense,


True off road vehicles don’t have independent suspension on air bags, radiators mounted in front of the front wheels, 18 plus alloy wheels, and over turbo reliant 2.0 engines.

The Gerry guy with the awful poodle perm mullet started with the freelander and now we have this.

Land Rover needs putting out of its misery so it can rip.

Harsh but true.

The future i am afraid is Jeep, Toyota and ford.


I agree with your 1st sentence, and I’m not a fan of McGovern

The rest of your post Is nonsense Thumbs Up
Post #773802 19th May 2019 7:00am
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