J77 wrote:

Don’t read too much into eccos comments, English not being his first language his comments perhaps come across differently in the written word rather than spoken and not how he intends.

J77 wrote:

Don’t read too much into eccos comments, English not being his first language his comments perhaps come across differently in the written word rather than spoken and not how he intends.

spudfan wrote:

I suppose part of the problem is that the Defender went from a relatively low tech vehicle with very recognisable shape to a very complex vehicle that looks nothing like the old model....

Tim in Scotland wrote:

I don’t think that it is ever called for to describe any car as “an atrocious pile of metal” - well maybe something like the Linley P38A or Kahn’s efforts might. Confections like the Linley and Purdey P38A’s definitely fall in Ecco’s category of ‘Mall Cruiser‘ - hugely expensive paint jobs and cabinet made interiors

Tim in Scotland wrote:

Calling it that insults anyone who buys one and it puts off people who might be thinking of buying one which I hope nobody here would really want to do

Supacat wrote:

J77 wrote:

Don’t read too much into eccos comments, English not being his first language his comments perhaps come across differently in the written word rather than spoken and not how he intends.

Have you read many of his posts? I hope he does not view your seemingly consilatory post as condescending. If we are looking at the spelling, punctuation, grammar and syntax of many posters on here, I'd swear English couldn't even be their/there/they're 2nd language.

Tim in Scotland wrote:

I don’t think that it is ever called for to describe any car as “an atrocious pile of metal” - well maybe something like the Linley P38A or Kahn’s efforts might. Confections like the Linley and Purdey P38A’s definitely fall in Ecco’s category of ‘Mall Cruiser‘ - hugely expensive paint jobs and cabinet made interiors

Calling it that insults anyone who buys one and it puts off people who might be thinking of buying one which I hope nobody here would really want to do

The people being most vocal about the shortcomings of the new car don’t appear to have made any effort to go and test drive one. Until they do they shouldn’t condemn it as a pile of scrap metal. They may hate it for what it tries to be but they should also go and try one before commenting on it, it doesn’t cost anything to have a test drive.

zilch wrote:

Grenadier wrote:

As I mentioned previously, there are always exceptions and clearly our Aussie contingent have a healthy gang who like to take them into the wilderness, but that probably accounts for no more than a single percent of all global RRS sales. .

i think i have mentioned before Grenadier, i would assume it is very much territory dependent and the accessibility
of tracks/trails. do the dealers encourage owners of new vehicles to join local off road clubs etc. LR have been
reasonably active in supporting local owner clubs in NSW, especially around greater Sydney, which provides
opportunity for new and old owners the ability to learn and enjoy their Landies at their full potential
Whether a Disco, RRS or classic Defender when they were sold new. That encourages people to get out more
with a level of confidence on club trips, with the families and mates, whether short weekends or longer tours.

I cannot comment on dealers in the UK today, but between 1997-2005 when we had our D1 and D2's and lived
in sunny Bucks, i cannot remember once being asked by our dealer whether we had any interest in joining any
local LR or off road clubs. Different attitude and frame of mind no doubt

In regard to percentages, i do not doubt it is very low, but i would humbly suggest that owners of the late model
classics say 2014-16, how many of them are actually out in the wilds, more likely wrapped in cotton wool waiting
for the investment to continue to rise.

Your mate who sky dives in brogues , ex Guards by any chance ?? i was R Sigs for 9 years, so
no doubt would wear something more practical ..

My affinity with Land Rovers goes back 40 years when i passed my Army driving Test in an Airportable lightweight,
driven SWB and LWB utilities, FFR's, Snatch and mineproofs, owned a classic V8 RR, D1's, D2's, 2 RRS, i am maybe
misguided, but loyal to the LR brand from a perspective they have served me well both in the military and civilian
life, I do not see the new Defender being anyone different, its a continuing story.. with the odd blip of course

I couldn’t agree more zilch. You highlight my point, in that era/region have a massive baring on the buyer demographic, but that it has been (in recent years) weighted to urban SUV owners and not heavy duty or even utilitarian owners. D1 and D2 certainly fell into the latter category. Even D3 and D4 for some. But they were entirely different beasts and the D5 even more so....in terms of comfort, spec, etc. And whilst you can always have a luxury spec of any model, i suppose it’s what the basic spec offers that determines what it is and who it can be aimed at, and recent years the basic spec of all LRs and RRs is not basic and perhaps not basic enough to be truly utilitarian or follow the ethos of the original LR and its first 50 years of history.

What is interesting in these posts we’ve been having, is whether Aussie will provide one of the stronger markets for the new Defender, certainly from a ‘usage’ point of view. If there has been a willingness to take later Discoverys and RRS on extended trips to the outback (I wonder if that is driven by comfort levels and better AC than the Defender could ever provide) then the new Defender could be a perfect replacement for many. I still think of it as a D6, but interestingly when looking at my previous comment, it has a correctly specified entry/utilitarian level that recent Discos (and RRSs) have lacked, which could make all the difference. So it will be interesting to see how many are bought.

As for my colleague, not ex Guards, but ‘serving’ Guards and I believe about to become the next Commanding Officer  Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

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What is interesting in these posts we’ve been having, is whether Aussie will provide one of the stronger markets for the new Defender, certainly from a ‘usage’ point of view. If there has been a willingness to take later Discoverys and RRS on extended trips to the outback (I wonder if that is driven by comfort levels and better AC than the Defender could ever provide) then the new Defender could be a perfect replacement for many.

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As for my colleague, not ex Guards, but ‘serving’ Guards and I believe about to become the next Commanding Officer

Assume his batman has to jump tandem and ensure his brogues are highly "bulled" on landing  yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

Zed wrote:

ken wrote:

J77 wrote:

The options ain’t great either, they are all in packs. I can’t have the meridian sound system without taking a host of stuff I don’t want and I can’t take the jump seat if I take the comfort pack to get the sound system. Heated steering wheel? Sorry you need to take the cold climate pack.

Packs are because of C02 stuff or every possibility would have to be documented for final C02 blame the ecomentalists not JLR

Whilst one can never underestimate JLR's incompetence it's extremely unlikely they are unable to calculate 'C02 stuff'. Far more likey they offer packs which ommit certain options in order to upsell.

Have a read of this ~ I'll admit I did but got to the end and had retained very little, so I'm going to have to go back and read it slowly:

https://www.jato.com/embracing-wltp-survive-or-thrive/



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