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dorsetsmith



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how mutch you must be having Rolling with laughter
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camelman



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Interestingly, the base spec 110 has an unladen weight of 2248kg suggesting a commercially variant would be subject to van speed limits (50 on a roads, 60 on dual carriageway)
Post #792597 12th Sep 2019 6:53pm
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pdv



Member Since: 07 Feb 2014
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Belgium 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey
The only thing you need is
- plastic wheelarches
- steel rims
- configurable terrain response with the locking rear diff
- 200 hp diesel or petrol

This is nowhere near 90k? But still too expensive Mr. Green Mr. Green
Post #792601 12th Sep 2019 7:05pm
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Zed



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
200hp could be OK, as it won't be long until folks like Jose, Pete and Ian rearrange the ones and noughts to make it go properly.
Post #792606 12th Sep 2019 7:23pm
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myonehere



Member Since: 03 Mar 2009
Location: Worcester uk
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2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Cairns Blue
camelman wrote:
Interestingly, the base spec 110 has an unladen weight of 2248kg suggesting a commercially variant would be subject to van speed limits (50 on a roads, 60 on dual carriageway)


An extremely important point for some of us.

One can only hope that the commercial version [especially the 90] will be lighter? - ie under the 2 tonnes for DPV
Post #792607 12th Sep 2019 7:30pm
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adolfy



Member Since: 01 Dec 2016
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Bronze Green
I was driving along today wondering why I dislike the new pretender, when in the distance I saw an older Defender and then it occurred to me why. People bought the old model Range Rover's and Discovery's because they were different, as soon as your eye caught sight of one, you new what it was. It madea statement, I am different or I can afford a Range Rover or I need a rugged working vehicle, nothing looked similar to them, they stood out. Now I hardly notice any of Land Rovers current product range and I certainly couldn't tell you which one was which, they are just cars, it could be a Range Rover, a Discovery, a Kia or a Ford or any one of a number of similar looking vehicles. The new pretender certainly dosn't make a statement either, it's just another boring car. I read on another forum someone discribed the designers as inept, judging by what they have produced, inept would be too much praise. Land Rover 1950 series 1
Land Rover LWB 1967 series 2A
Land Rover SWB 1980 series 3
Land Rover 110 Defender 2013
Post #792610 12th Sep 2019 7:42pm
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Zed



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
dorsetsmith wrote:
how mutch you must be having Rolling with laughter


Honestly not that much. No stupid panniers, ladders, bullbars, dog showers or ridiculous wheels. Just the Urban pack, a few creature comforts and a dog guard.

My thinking is to show the boss how much it comes to and then how much we will save by instead doing a nut and bolt 90 restoration with Ev powertrain.
Post #792615 12th Sep 2019 7:53pm
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Zed



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Actually thinking about it, I could fill my boots at Top Hat or Cool'n Vintage for the price of that Defender.
Post #792617 12th Sep 2019 7:56pm
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Sulisuli



Member Since: 30 Oct 2016
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
That’s clever thinking Zed Thumbs Up 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90
2000 XS TD5 90
Post #792619 12th Sep 2019 7:57pm
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milesr3



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2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green
I think that it will, in the future, be used as an example of failure of a design process. There are so many recognisable attributes of the Defender and its predecessors that have been discarded in favour of unnecessary flourishes. This is not what design is about. It should be simple and functional. Authentic. The best design is. It doesn't need to be explained or justified.

I'm not saying this as a die-hard, stereotypical, rigger-booted Defender owner, conveniently being scapegoated for not liking change. But a lifelong car nut and customer with the means to buy one. I am appreciating the basic form of my 2016 Defender a little more today. Such a shame that it couldn't have been respected.

If only the 90 was recognisable from its predecessors, along with the vastly improved capabilities it possesses then I would be in a great rush to own one. Money in the bank. As it is there are plenty of other SUVs out there that are also not a Defender.


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Post #792624 12th Sep 2019 8:11pm
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spudfan



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Ireland 
Sad day when you get charged for mudflaps. Does it have a jack? I am assuming it does as it has a spare wheel. I have to give it a thumbs up for actually having a full sized spare wheel.
They keep on harping on about smart phones in the brochure.. I do not have ANY type of mobile phone.
It does not do anything for me. It is just another car. Interesting that the PHEV can carry more and tow more than the diesel versions.
My big concern would be dealer knowledge in the event of any problems. How many times have you seen requests on this forum for help when the dealer cannot find/rectify a fault with a Puma? Maybe things are ment to be changed if a fault shows up. Each to their own but like I said, it's not for me. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #792625 12th Sep 2019 8:12pm
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dorsetsmith



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Zed wrote:
dorsetsmith wrote:
how mutch you must be having Rolling with laughter


Honestly not that much. No stupid panniers, ladders, bullbars, dog showers or ridiculous wheels. Just the Urban pack, a few creature comforts and a dog guard.

My thinking is to show the boss how much it comes to and then how much we will save by instead doing a nut and bolt 90 restoration with Ev powertrain.


let my how that ends out Rolling with laughter in a word No
Post #792627 12th Sep 2019 8:18pm
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Zed



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
You are probably right.

Perhaps easier to ask for forgiveness than permission...
Post #792628 12th Sep 2019 8:22pm
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LCJ



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I’ve concluded that I admire the engineering that is apparently behind it (will be interested to see some reviews once it’s been driven), I quite like what I’ve seen of the interior (still waiting to find boot space pictures), but not a mad fan of the exterior styling. That seems a missed opportunity, and the likeness to the DC100 is disappointing. The 110 looks better than the 90, but that was always the case to my eyes.

I get entirely that it was never going to be like the Defenders we know and love, that’s fine, JLR is a business and times regulations and markets move on. I’m finding it best to think of it as a different JLR product altogether that happens to share a name with a car I like, rather than trying to see it as evolution of that car.

From what I’ve read (all pretty repetitive) it should be a great vehicle, and JLR have maybe done me a favour in going mass market with it as hopefully that means it will quickly reach terminal velocity in depreciation and bring it into affordable territory for me.
Post #792642 12th Sep 2019 9:30pm
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
Zed wrote:

My thinking is to show the boss how much it comes to and then how much we will save by instead doing a nut and bolt 90 restoration with Ev powertrain.


I think that's a good point.

It has raised the financial bar for those now able to do the "man maths" and justify all sorts of mods and extras to existing vehicles. Razz

3rd party suppliers and indie garages must be equally happy.
Post #792672 13th Sep 2019 6:00am
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