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Marks Landy



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
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United Kingdom 1985 Defender 90 200 Tdi SW Java Black
Thanks Martin, Pipe LR006249 arrived today and has both the required end fittings.
It works a treat.

Hopefully I never need it in anger

Thanks for all the info.
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MartinK



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Mark - great teamwork mate Thumbs Up

I will order one myself now Cool Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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X4SKP



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Hello All

Good work... Thumbs Up ...something else I didn't know I needed... Shocked

I have fitted 5 Fuel Filters on mine, at around 6-7K Service Intervals so far without issue.

I was advised by my trusted independent to 'fill and fit' a replacement Filter 'promptly'
but to be 'scrupulously clean' in all areas...cleaning the old Filter position before removal
and to ensure the replacement Filter is topped up with clean diesel...
(as has been noted this diesel is introduced directly into the Fuel line so will be un-filtered)

I was also told to drain off a little diesel from the old filter to see if any 'contaminants', water etc
were visible before you fit the replacement.


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My independent does have the LR Tool, but I have not seen it in use, but it appears that the Tool is installed
'In Line' (within the Engine Bay), between the Fuel Line Supply leading to the 'Injector Rail'...Fuel is drawn through and is 'tapped off' until no air is visible in the feed pipe.

Question...
With the DIY Kit proposed is this 'In Line' method 'dropped' with only one of the connectors used...draining through diesel directly to some sort of clean container...resulting in confidence that the Fuel line up to this point has no air present...is the 'other' connector into the 'Injector Rail' a 'non return' type so not allowing air to be introduce, with the disconnection on the Fuel System at this point... Question

I like the idea of having one of these DIY Kits, as whilst so far so good...it would be good to know you can if you need to.

The LR006249 looks to be the 'key' component here...so if someone can confirm 'exactly' how it is used
(one end or both) that would be good...



Thanks (another ingenious Thumbs Up form D2N Members) SKIP
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Post #652049 22nd Sep 2017 11:05am
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MartinK



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Skip

I made this a couple of weeks ago:

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As you can see I needed a bit or insulating tape to give a snug fit... if you buy Pipe LR006249 then it fits perfectly...


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Simply take the fuel line off (blue clip in photo above) and push the tool onto the end heading to the tank. If you put a new fuel filter on (without filling it with fuel 1st) then you just pump the fuel thru. I wasted the first 0.5 litres (on purpose in case it was dirty), but caught the rest in a bottle (approx. 1.5 litres until bubbles stop coming) and then reconnect the blue connector.

The 1.5 litres went back into the tank...

It's described in the workshop manual too

If you used both ends of Pipe LR006249 then you would (I think) need a way of letting the bubbles out (which the proper LR tool has)... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #652053 22nd Sep 2017 11:13am
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X4SKP



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Thanks MartinK... got it Thumbs Up

I too found the French 'work around'...at least with both ends used within the DIY Tool
you can connect it to itself when not in use...helping to prevent any unwanted 'stuff'
from getting into the Tool and being introduced...





Good 'procedure' tip also, with an un-filled replacement Filter...(I'll think about that one)
with that method, I guess you know when you have reached the 'cross-over' point (old to new Filter)
with the air passing through the Tool.

Thanks again... SKIP
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Post #652059 22nd Sep 2017 11:27am
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MartinK



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The Pipe LR006249 is approx. £12 on the web...

I pinged Dan an Duckworths today to see how much a genuine one is (maybe a group buy!!!???)... I got an "out of office" but hopefully he'll reply on Monday. Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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Bluest



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I'd be up for a group buy, although the item iOS not expensive anyway, genuine LR one is £12 from LR Direct.

Can someone clear up why using a homemade one, draining into a container rather than inline, doesn't allow air into the fuel rail?

How does the official LR tool separate the air when it is in line? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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X4SKP



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Hello Bluest

I don't know...hence my earlier question about not introducing air (possibly)... further 'down stream' from the Filter by using a 'simplified' version of the LR Tool...but I suspect that it's something to do with this part...that possibly draws off the air...maybe also with diesel, until all is OK... Question

LR Fuel Bleeding Tool...

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 SKIP
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Post #652139 22nd Sep 2017 6:04pm
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MartinK



Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Mine just arrived - usual great service from Dan at Duckworths... Good price, speedy delivery Thumbs Up


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Bluest



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Out of interest, how much was it? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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MartinK



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Bluest - about £11 or £12 I think
I bought it with a service kit (fuel filter, air filter, 2 x oil filters etc) to maximize the postage Smile Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
X4SKP wrote:
Hello Bluest

I don't know...hence my earlier question about not introducing air (possibly)... further 'down stream' from the Filter by using a 'simplified' version of the LR Tool...but I suspect that it's something to do with this part...that possibly draws off the air...maybe also with diesel, until all is OK... Question

LR Fuel Bleeding Tool...

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X4,

I've been giving this a quite a lot of thought and I think you are right. The small brass fitting must be some kind of valve that can be opened to release air bubbles seen in the clear section. Maybe it has some kind of non-return feature to stop it admitting air by accident. I've been looking for something I could use to achieve a similar result, but not found anything yet. Some sort of valve on a T with a thumb screw for opening. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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X4SKP



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Hello Bluest

I think we agree...something that works as you describe would 'vent off' any trapped air, and as you say you can watch it 'arrive and depart' in the clear section of the pipe...it must be this part made of 'expensive-iridium' that justifies the LR price for this Tool... Exclamation

But even without... this DIY Tool looks to work, so maybe not really required. I'm going to make one up and if a magic 'bleed valve' part turns up...cut it in... Thumbs Up SKIP
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UtilityTruck



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So the 2.2 has a lift pump and doesn’t need to be bled- do you just put the ignition to the accessory position and it runs the fuel pump to prime the system? Or is it more involved? 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2
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Bergos



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It seems that the LR006249 is not anymore available and has been substituted by LR031351, which is twice as expensive Sad

http://new.lrcat.com/#!/1235/4495/4538/352/4602

https://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/151...n_ba999999

https://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/185178/0/pipe___fuel Bergos

LR Defender 110 HT 2007 (2.4 Puma)
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