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dm_td5



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Puma fuel bleeding pump

I've been thinking about the 310-110 SPX special tool for bleeding the TDCi fuel line. From the wire diagram (previously posted) it looks to be:
1. 2 Special clamps to fuel line
2. Flexible hose
3. Rubber hand pump (as used on outboard fuel tanks etc)
4. Relief Valve. I'm assuming the relief valve is just a screw down one way valve to purge the air.

This can't be a very difficult thing to fabricate, I also understand there is a clear section of tube around the relief valve.

Has anyone got one of these pumps they can post a pic of?

Does anyone know the specifics of the quick release clamps on the fuel line? They've got to be an aftermarket part, surely! 110 2.4TDCi
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CapeLandy



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I just called Land Rover South Africa again and they tell me that the pump is not for sale other than to dealerships.
They say that it is only made for such and not for sale to the public.

I asked him what hapens if you need one out in the bush and he said there are plenty dealers througout Africa "so call your nearest dealer"Confused

Gues I will have to wait for answeres to your post and make my own. Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong

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dm_td5



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I think the only hassle will be getting the quick connects for the fuel line. I'm going to ring a couple of places tomorrow about them. I'm thinking the rest will be easy enough. 110 2.4TDCi
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mse



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Are we talking for something more than just replacing the fuel filter as i know 2 people now just didnt bother and no ill effects. Mike

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CapeLandy



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might be lucky

I also drained out bout 100cc of fuel at the drain and not problems so maybe we are worrying for nothing and should just fill the filter with fuel and screw it back in carefully.
Anyone want to do a practice run Laughing

I would hate to cause damage to the pump.
This is a pic I just took of the pump

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dm_td5



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mse wrote:
Are we talking for something more than just replacing the fuel filter as i know 2 people now just didnt bother and no ill effects.


It may well be nothing but from what I've read about Transits replacing the filter can leave an air block. I suspect this may also apply to the Puma as the system doesn't seem to be highly pressurised. For piece of mind I think I'll make up a bleed pump. 110 2.4TDCi
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As I am off to Morocco next month. I have just visited my dealer to discuss a number issues I may have whilst out there. Replacing the fuel filter was one of them. The tool is available in the UK. I am waiting for my local tool supply company to get back to me with some options. Sealey Tools do the pump bit as mentioned Part No VSE055.

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dm_td5



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Please post up what you find. The only stumbling block I have is the quick connects on the fuel line. I have no idea what they are called or a part number. 110 2.4TDCi
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The tool No is 310-163 its available at a cost of 165 + Vat at 17.5% and postage to a UK address for 8 Shocked Big Cry

Tomorrow I am taking a trip to my local technical hose supplier with the tool 310-163 that I have on loan from my dealer. Hopefully we will be able to identify the ends and get this sorted Thumbs Up

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mse



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Are we sure that it is even needed? Mike

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CapeLandy



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Tool

I posted for interest on the Transit forum and one guy confirmed you just need to fill the filter with diesel before you install and no problems.
Maybe the tool is used when you completely run out of juice and all the pipelines are empty and no suction on the pump.
I am sure one small air bubble won't be a big issue.

Rgds
James Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong

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AndrewS wrote:
The tool No is 310-163 its available at a cost of 165 + Vat at 17.5% and postage to a UK address for 8 Shocked Big Cry

Tomorrow I am taking a trip to my local technical hose supplier with the tool 310-163 that I have on loan from my dealer. Hopefully we will be able to identify the ends and get this sorted Thumbs Up


165 !!!!! Holy *&%$... That's AU$370 Shocked

Can you take some nice detailed pics of the loan tool and post them up or e-mail them????? 110 2.4TDCi
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dm_td5 wrote:

Can you take some nice detailed pics of the loan tool and post them up or e-mail them?????


Will do Thumbs Up I have got me some connections that are close but not a perfect match. I am going up to my workshop in a bit, going to take the filter off and see if my home made tool will suck the fuel up.

The instructions state that the bleed tool should be connected in line between the tank pick up pipe and the fuel pump. Then when the fuel is drawn up to the pump you disconnect the bleed tool and replace the pick-up pipe onto the pump. Which in my opinion will allow air into the fuel system Rolling Eyes If this is the case and is ok then why can we simply connect the bleed tool to the pick-up pipe, draw the fuel up the pipe then re connect it to the pump Question If this is the case all you will need is a pump some hose and a short metal pipe the same as the inside of the female pipe connector that fits onto the pump Thumbs Up

I will report back soon Wink

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The home made one works Razz

Removed and drained the filter. Here is the contents Shocked Check out the crap in the bottom of the glass.



This is the pump I made. As you can see there is only one connection on the 'tool' as I never connected the bleed tool in line. I simply placed the end of the pipe into a container to catch the fuel as it was pumped through. The other end was pushed into the female connector of the fuel line. It took about 2 minutes and about 2 pints of fuel before the fuel became air free.



Here is the Land Rover tool



A picture with dimensions of the male end of the Land Rover tool.



A picture with dimensions of the male end of the home made tool. As you can see its smaller in diameter but it sealed. Obviously I would like to get an end that is the correct



This is the location of the connector that the bleed tool fixes to. Push the blue tabs in and pull the connector off the feed to the fuel pump.



Disclaimer
If you Censored your car up following these instructions its not my fault Razz Razz

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CapeLandy



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briliiant

was the black fitting a standard item or did you machine down a plastic swage nipple on one end?
If it was standard - does it have a name?

Thanks
James Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong

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