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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750  
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Just had an email from the HQ of the dealer group I use -Pentland, which is part of the John Clarke Motor Group, letting me know that they have 48 New Defenders including base, S, SE and First Ed’s with various factory options and choice of colours - prices between £45k and £61k available for immediate delivery. This is a lot stock between IIRC 4 dealership locations around Scotland.
As of Friday they will have one less Pangea Green and Acorn First Ed in their stock! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 10th Jun 2020 7:25pm. Edited 3 times in total |
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10th Jun 2020 7:12pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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it was D1 because my V8i ES had to have a new dash topper after both ends curled up to met the middle! About 2 years into its life - it was a warranty replacement thankfully, mine was one of the later D1’s Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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10th Jun 2020 7:15pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547  
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Good luck and I hope you enjoy it 
Unless I've missed it... you may get to post the first 'My NEW Defender' post. I wonder whether we will get a new sub-topic for that under the Defender Replacement sub-forum? |
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10th Jun 2020 7:29pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1351 
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 Click image to enlarge I think this invoice was featured in one of the Powerful-UK videos. Whoever marked the the "government tax" surely missed the bigger picture. The tax paid is £8691.67 vat + £2175.00 rfl (road tax) + £55.00 reg fee (additional tax on all new vehicles) Total tax paid £10,921.67 or just over 25% of the actual vehicle price.  |
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10th Jun 2020 8:34pm |
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| eelpout Member Since: 04 Jun 2020 Location: California Posts: 9 
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I saw this over on the Disco5 site. pretty brutal IMO. If you're coming from a D3, D4 or even D5, it would really make one have to pause over (cargo) utility. |
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10th Jun 2020 10:21pm |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 570
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I hope the 130 ultimately arrives for the UK. In theory it should have a more comparable load space. If the leaked silhouette is anything to go by it has an underslung spare wheel which could pave the way for a upper tailgate or even split arrangement. I can but dream 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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10th Jun 2020 10:32pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547
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^^ On a new Transit Connect it is £200 (+vat) option to select heated, glazed tailgate rather than un-glazed rear doors. So it can't be beyond JLR to offer both - if they wanted to. Especially if the spare is already taken care of.
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10th Jun 2020 11:41pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I'm not if anyone has done the maths, but the base price must include all labour costs, so if you factored in income tax and NI that must add between 5% and 7.5% to your figure. |
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11th Jun 2020 6:18am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Couldn't watch all of that ~ the reviewer's a real dick. Isn't allowed to drive it off road by JLR, in case it breaks but says it will go off road really well because it's a Land Rover. Rather missing the point of a review! |
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11th Jun 2020 6:36am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Everything I had read up to now suggested that it's manners on road were excellent, not just by off road vehicle standards, but this looks like it rolls badly into the corner and pitches back badly as it exits. By badly, I mean no different from any other large 4x4. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge |
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11th Jun 2020 7:06am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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Personally (and, before anyone wants to shoot me down, I mean personally), I no longer care about these reviews, because they’re not reviewing a worthy successor to the 75 year history of the Defender. It is not a Defender. And this is entirely separate to its looks, which I really dislike. This is about the essence of the Defender that so many of us understand and appreciate. An affordable, practical, modifiable, utilitarian and self-serviceable multi-platform vehicle which also (in the right hands) excels of road. All this could have been included in the new Defender, with added reliability, and improved comfort and ergonomics, but without going completely OTT as the current incarnation has. They have created a ‘ruggedised‘ luxury, expensive SUV. NOT a Defender in the ‘real’ sense.
So whether or not it is any good off road is immaterial as the vast majority (not all) will never be used in the extreme environments to which it pretends. The target owner, (who will likely also own 1000€ Arc’teryx jacket that may not have even skied a couloir in the French Alps, let alone been brutalised climbing a multi-pitch route in the high Himalaya), will never use it in testing off road environments. The people to whom it should have been targeted will also never use it as it is (primarily) too expensive, but also doesn’t offer the same benefits as I highlighted above. So, personally, reviews are of no real interest, likewise its capabilities off road; at least not as a Defender. As a large, robust, family SUV, maybe. But that’s not what interests me, nor is it what maintains my passion for the current Defender. And dare I speak for others, that’s not what this site is about either. If you look at the various sections Martin has created on this forum, how many relate to the new Defender? Arguably, all of them, so flip it around and ask how many new owners will relate to the sections? Maintenance and Modifications, In-Car Electronics, Camping, Overlanding, Series, V8, Spotted, Pictures etc. I’d suggest very, very few new owners will be interested in any of those subjects, whether they’re on this site or a dedicated New Defender site. Which, I feel highlights by just how much McGovern has missed what the point of the Defender was, at least until it stopped being built 2016. Such a shame  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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11th Jun 2020 7:48am |
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| nidge n Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 714
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can't ague with any of that, as we say, a Discovery not a Defender
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11th Jun 2020 9:11am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985 
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Don't forget that the money you're using to buy has also been taxed. Regardless of how much you earn, UK tax including NI and employers NI is a little over 40%. |
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11th Jun 2020 9:34am |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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I have no interest in buying one, but I follow this thread because as an engineer I am interested about the new tech that is build in the new defender. I really hope that JLR has made a better offroader than the classic defender. I am sure that engineers at JLR already know the weak parts in our vehicles (1.24" axle shafs, differentials, pinion offset, bewel gears, CV joints and so much more). Jeep has addressed most of this topics by introducing the nextgen Dana axles with higher spline count, bigger ring gears, thicker axle tubes etc. This tech info was main part of their ads and was introduced to the public before Wrangler JL was officially launched.
JLR keeps all of this tech info for themselves. They focus on software, but I couldn't even understand what is better on TR than the simple TC in my classic defender. Does the sand mode give the driver a message to get out and deflate the tires? Or ideally would be if the software adjusts tire pressure for rocks, sand etc. All I see in all revies are cars splashing water and spectacular shots that help nothing. Of course this is just me, no offend to anyone here. Be safe! Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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11th Jun 2020 9:40am |
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