Naks wrote:

Some more detailed technical information from this Oz article: https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/2020-land...ts-figures

A few salient ones:

14 - Defender's electrics gets IP67 electrical rating
The electronics and connections in the new Defender have been designed to meet the IP67 water immersion standards. That means they can be submerged in one metre of fresh water for an hour without intrusion or damage.

31 - Bullbar
Land Rover has developed a ’roo bar specifically for Australia. To be made of steel, the bar will be offered as an accessory, keeping intact all sensors and safety systems. The ’roo bar will be revealed closer to the car’s June 2020 on-sale date.

34 - Crawl time
The Defender has an impressively low crawl ratio of 51.5:1 for diesel versions and 57.2:1 for the six-cylinder petrol.

45 - Stopping power
There is no mechanical link between the brake pedal and the brake discs. Instead the Defender gets a brake-by-wire system claimed to provide more “precise, linear brake pressures”. Engineers also say the electronic braking system helps with off-road traction due to the ability to better regulate braking to each individual wheel.

Setok wrote:

Seriously? I'm shocked this kind of setup is even legal. So lose electricity and bye bye brakes? I'd rather have an NCAP of 1 star and no airbags than something like that.

Supacat wrote:

You guys been in a modern aeroplane recently?

The world's most modern plane, the F35, keeps having system start-up failures. Pilots can't get it started and have to go through its version of Ctl-Alt-Del. Must be very confidence-inspiring for the pilots....  Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

blackwolf wrote:

Supacat wrote:

blackwolf wrote:

It would be interesting to run some penetration tests on the new one. With 85 ECUs, live software updates, WiFi, and presumably all CANbus comms, I really hope they've addressed cyber security adequately. I can foresee ransomware attacks galore if the electronic security is up to the usual JLR sta cards.

In asking that question, I'm guessing you already have a good idea what the answer is. Have JLR addressed the keyless entry issues fully yet?

The SOTA worries me. I can forsee an owner returning to a vehicle after having parked it up, and it not starting due to a failed "update", or even worse having changed some driving characteristic to something unfamiliar or even subjectively worse.

It's bad enough if another driver changes the seat and mirror positions, imagine jumping in the car with different throttle, gear change or suspension settings?

And then there's the issue of me having to buy my car a SIM with a data package just so JLR can interrogate it to gleam information to improve their revenue stream. Parasitic software.

I am also generally uneasy about the way in which the new Defender, along with all other similar new vehicles, is fully capable of sending comprehensive telemetry data to just about anyone all the time. Although I have nothing to hide, I really don't want every detail of every journey logged. I distrust the way that manufacturers are so reluctant to let customers know the extent of the data harvesting they they can, and possibly do, do, but it certainly goes (or can go) down to things like the number (and mass) of people in the vehicle, and whether they're wearing seat belts, as well as the more expected speeds etc.

In the fullness of time it will inevitably lead to road pricing and so on, but a little more transparency would be welcome.