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| boxoftricks Member Since: 06 Feb 2019 Location: Home Counties Posts: 745   
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If it has a big red emergency button that's a big thumbs up from me......
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26th Jun 2019 9:50am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084  
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Or to be honest, in comparison, it is more or less the same as every other JLR product. If this is truly the finished product then I was hoping for a little more originality something that stood out from the rest of the stable. At least now looking at it for my next car I will have a choice of all the other manufacturers 4x4s, I never thought I would say this but if that is the final then I may not be a Land Rover man in the future. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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26th Jun 2019 1:04pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3014 
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#JustAnotherSUV
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26th Jun 2019 1:18pm |
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| romain71 Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: bourgogne Posts: 7 
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i hope they have got front and rear mudflaps
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26th Jun 2019 1:30pm |
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| MaxRPM Member Since: 15 Jan 2013 Location: South Staffs Posts: 1114 
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The picture I showed on my earlier reply showed a 4 door version on the dashboard image.
http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?actio...9138;image |
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26th Jun 2019 2:36pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10359
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I'm sure you can pay extra for them. |
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26th Jun 2019 2:56pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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From what i can see so far the new defender will be a nice classic looking SUV. For those who dont like fancy forms, nor meter-long headlights starting from the front doors and ending just in the middle of the grill. I think only time will show if this SUV will earn it's place in the hearts of offroad enthusiasts. For this to happen it should have a solid basic engineering - diffs, axles, tranny etc, and enough aftermarket support from non LR companies. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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26th Jun 2019 3:06pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16870 
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I think you're right. Which is a great shame since the Defender was never intended to be an SUV, it was always a multipurpose light truck. Only in recent years did the SUV community decide to start buying them. If you can't unbolt the roof, convert it from a hardtop to a softtop, carry bleeding deadstock in the back in the day then hose it out and go to the pub in the evening in it, fit a cherrypicker or firepump, fit a snowplough on the front in the winter, and so on, then it isn't a Defender.  |
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26th Jun 2019 5:53pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1284
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Well said Blackwolf.
As far as I'm concerned, unless there is some real modular design flexibility built in that we can't see from the leaks so far, then JLR have lost the plot. I guess we could be surprised : The roof might unbolt. A rag top option could be available. As could a commercial spec. version with plastic mats, manual transmission and minus all the electronics that will go wrong. And there may even be a longer wheelbase version to provide greater storage space in the back.(The current leaked photos make it look as though there might just be enough room in the back of the 5 door for a set of designer luggage and a Chihuahua or two.) But sadly I don't think so. To use diduan's words "the new defender will be a nice classic looking SUV". But knowing JLR's pricing, it will turn out to be a very expensive SUV in a crowded space of the market. I can't imagine many of the farmers or commercial operators in my neck of the woods dumping their Jap crew cab pick ups and returning to Defender ownership in a hurry. Such a shame 
If Ineos get it right, they could be onto a real winner with Grenadier. |
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26th Jun 2019 7:13pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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[quote="blackwolf"]
Yep, but already longer than 10 years ago that has started. Now, the good thing about this is that some of those owners take excellent long term care of their Defenders and will help keep the legend alive. Nothing wrong with that I think. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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26th Jun 2019 7:38pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2520 
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I guess the real world test will be to if the scum steal the new Defender off your drive or continue to nick the original.
Would be embarrassing to get up the next morning to find a badly written note on the windscreen saying 'Meh'. |
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26th Jun 2019 8:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16870
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I imagine they'll nick the new one too. In fact since it will probably have (the completely unnecessary and pointless) keyless entry and start, it may be even easier to steal than the current one.
I don't think that any vehicle is safe from theft now unless it has a Kahn body kit or is pink. |
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26th Jun 2019 10:26pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2588  
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some more detailed shots of the suspension & exhaust from https://paultan.org/2019/06/26/spyshots-20...ior-seen/:
 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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27th Jun 2019 11:02am |
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| jaydt Member Since: 31 Aug 2013 Location: west midlands Posts: 36 
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Yup rusting already.
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27th Jun 2019 12:34pm |
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