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| SN Member Since: 30 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729  |
Safer I supoose than either of these 
Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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29th Mar 2021 12:03pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3262 
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Definitely
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29th Mar 2021 12:08pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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What a bizarre post on a car forum where sharing information is one of the key benefits. I wonder how many owners on here have had an issue, gone to the main dealer, been told there problem is unique/not an issue/one they have never seen before, come online and found others with the same problem or even that there was a bulletin the dealer should have known about, and should have actioned. Also, all German manufacturer bulletins are equally available publically ~ latest visible: Audi ~ radio problems. BMW ~ problems with bass speakers. Mercedes ~ 3rd brake light issue. Porsche ~ New parts promotion for all weather mats. VW ~ Customer states fuel odour. |
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29th Mar 2021 1:25pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Point is all manufacturers have problems, especially with new models. The Defender is no different, so singling it out as such seems a bit odd (can you point on the doll to where JLR touched you?).
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29th Mar 2021 1:39pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283 
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Definitely "odd" singling out JLR and the Defender - on a Defender forum.
And as for that last sentence..... 
Maybe Supacat can interpret it? |
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29th Mar 2021 2:37pm |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590 
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I can tell you now from first hand experience with many faults on my new Defender that supacat is the first person I would ask if there is any builtins for the problems.
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29th Mar 2021 4:24pm |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590
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I can tell you now from first hand experience with many faults on my new Defender that supacat is the first person I would ask if there is any builtins for the problems.
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29th Mar 2021 4:24pm |
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| Ryderoo Member Since: 28 Aug 2015 Location: South Bucks Posts: 1658 
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So true you said it twice
Cheers Simon
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you 1990 110 TD5 county, my first Land Rover - gone 2012 Discovery 4 XS SDV6 - gone 2014 Discovery 4 XS SDV6 - gone 2015 Evoque SD4 dynamic - Wife’s - gone 2015 Urban Truck 90 XS Santorini Black Hard Top - Reluctantly gone 2020 Discovery 5 Eiger Grey 3.0 SE - gone March 24 2021 Defender S D250 Santorini Black 110 HT - gone March 24 2023 Evoque P300e SE wife’s current vehicle |
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29th Mar 2021 4:41pm |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590
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Not sure how the hell that happened
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29th Mar 2021 4:44pm |
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| Ryderoo Member Since: 28 Aug 2015 Location: South Bucks Posts: 1658
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Just getting your point across Digger
 Cheers Simon
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you 1990 110 TD5 county, my first Land Rover - gone 2012 Discovery 4 XS SDV6 - gone 2014 Discovery 4 XS SDV6 - gone 2015 Evoque SD4 dynamic - Wife’s - gone 2015 Urban Truck 90 XS Santorini Black Hard Top - Reluctantly gone 2020 Discovery 5 Eiger Grey 3.0 SE - gone March 24 2021 Defender S D250 Santorini Black 110 HT - gone March 24 2023 Evoque P300e SE wife’s current vehicle |
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29th Mar 2021 4:47pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Which, of course, is what one-marque forms are all about - the incessant sniping at the product and manufacturer at the same time are perhaps the “bizarre” thing.
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29th Mar 2021 5:07pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024 
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What I haven’t done...but use the tractor to do if I ever get to it Mike |
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30th Mar 2021 12:54am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024
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It is the benefit to share the faults and fixes, but how proactive should we be...I don’t know, I do get annoyed when people spin a negative image that somehow JLR is worse than any other car make etc...put it this way, our Citroen at the time had more faults than the 3 land rovers during the same time period.
All cars have faults and it’s useful to know where to look...especially as dealers not JLR tend to be pants! Mike |
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30th Mar 2021 12:54am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I agree but what do you call negative spin?
Successive JD Powers reports ~ referenced by senior JLR management very recently. Warranty costs that the same senior JLR management have labelled excessively high and a cause for concern. A CEO that makes a public statement that "Jaguar Land Rover loses more than 100,000 sales annually due to customer perception of quality issues with its models". It's a massive issue for JLR, not least because it's a self-proclaimed premium brand. To play it down or dismiss it does JLR, the brand, and current owners absolutely no favours. The fact that senior management are now talking openly about it, will hopefully drive a genuine new culture within the business, where the good engineers will feel able to put their heads above the parapet and challenge things they know are wrong/bad. |
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30th Mar 2021 6:39am |
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