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dailysleaze



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lohr500 wrote:
I would love to know the answer as well.

I suspect it is because they are so stuck up their own a**** that they think a higher volume, lower priced vehicle will dilute their brand value and rob sales from their overpriced designer boutique models. .


This.

There are changes made they made to get the 15my vehicles to meet EU regilations (DSC, etc.). They redesigned the 110/130 rear halfshafts for 16my only. Why would you invest money on a vehicle with less than a year to run? If it became unprofitable it would have been shelved sooner. 15-20k vehicles annually it a good business.

Also the Solihull site is pretty crammed and the Defender buildings took up a lot of room. Better they can move to a more efficient production line that gets more £££ return per sq ft.

I suspect the 2016 end was to coincide with "flipping the switch" based on their overall strategy, rather than having to end because it was loosing money. They announced the end of the Defender in 2013...!

As the Grenadier is "better designed" than a bog standard double cab, it can justify the increase in price tag.

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I wish them every success. I would hope (if it were me advising them!) that their next model would be a small van - to compete with the Renault Kangoo, VW Caddy and the Ford Connect. Small vans seem as though they are easy and cheap to produce, yet still command £20,000 plus. And small vans have a huge future as people switch to having everything delivered. You can't get a British small van anymore. Grenadier certainly won't just stick with a utility 4x4, obviously, and will want to maximise their capabilities and profit. Ineos will be switching from that BMW-sourced engine to EV quite soon, and it would be great to see them use the EV set-ups which are springing up in Britain.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/uk-electri...llion.html UK population is growing at 1,200 a day (8,400 people a week). Think about it...because no one is.

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I don’t think going into the mass market with something like a small van would be wise. How can they compete with the likes of Ford and PSA on economies of scale and dealers? They would end up having to buy in parts from the very people they are trying to compete with. The only hope they have, and what they are betting on, is that they can find niche not satisfied by current products, and that is still going to be an uphill struggle. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

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Fair enough. I only said it because I was speaking to a guy who said that there won't be supermarkets in the future, as everything will be delivered. Admittedly, that's the bigger vans, but there is a huge market for small vans.
https://www.fleetpoint.org/carandvannews/v...t-forward/
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/06/uk-new-van-...ller-vans/
I just feel that it (appears) to be a cheap project to build a van (we don't want fancy stuff), and yet the choice is fairly small. No one does a petrol auto. UK population is growing at 1,200 a day (8,400 people a week). Think about it...because no one is.

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spudfan



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All right lets forget about the GRENADIER being built as a possible replacement to our beloved but flawed Defender. Lets get real and get a life.
What I wanted to know is, if INEOS were building replacement wives where would we stand? I for one would be very interested in the chassis, just to see where it was going. How would it compare to my existing model, and albeit vintage chassis? I would like to see his ideas for the suspension as my own model's suspension is nowhere as pliant as it was on that first test drive. Whistle
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What puddle? wrote:

They have already managed to p*ss me off a little, as I entered their competition for a suitable name. I poured in so many names - I even surprised myself how good they were, seriously (they just kept coming to me).


What are you talking about, they chose a great name..... Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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