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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
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Thank you for the update. Looks like they will just try to wear you down.
Just a thought. I know Land Rover used to carry the royal "by appointment to" as suppliers of vehicles. Perhaps you could tell Land Rover that you intend to write to what ever member of the royal family lets Land Rover use the "by royal appointment" warrant and tell them how Land Rover are approaching this. The royal family will not get involved but it won't look too good for Land Rover. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #964409 8th Sep 2022 2:15pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Do not, ever, think that you should apologise for your posts here on this subject, it is of great interest to many and you have already discovered more about this alarming defect and the disturbing cover-up by JLR than anyone has before.

I am sure that most, if not all, Def2 forum members have great sympathy for you and admiration for what you are doing, and wish you well.

Please continue to keep us informed.

It is interesting to reflect that to be held in contempt of court by not presenting the engineer's report could result in a significant penalty for the company, CoC fines can be very substantial, so if JLR is prepared to destroy the report and be held in CoC and fined, what potential financial consequence does the information in the report expose them to? For a contempt of court ruling to be preferable, it must be a very damning report.
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macfrank



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I totally agree, blackwolf.

I'm currently posting a summary of Payney's story to two German forums.
Post #964418 8th Sep 2022 4:47pm
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LR90XS2011



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
is it worth a crowd funding thing to support this?

I will happily chuck a few££ in DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy
Post #964421 8th Sep 2022 5:20pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Another avenue to consider is contacting the media and consumer affairs type programmes, although this afternoon's sad news will understandably and correctly keep the media occupied on other matters for some time.
Post #964423 8th Sep 2022 5:44pm
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spudfan



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Not the same but I wonder if we will ever see something loke this, but the American legal system is different.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/toyota...e=AA11F7g3|2 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #964578 10th Sep 2022 3:27pm
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90 Dreamer



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This is a 2016 90, anyone care to confirm what we are looking at please??



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Post #964645 11th Sep 2022 2:03pm
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spudfan



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Weld that the bolt on bottom left is conveniently pointing at! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #964647 11th Sep 2022 2:07pm
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90 Dreamer



Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
Sorry yes and so is this one of the 'OK' ones??
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Dinnu



Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
2016 is still mig welded, but should be with improved weld.
It is up to around early 2013 mig welded axles which had the problem. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #964649 11th Sep 2022 2:43pm
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Grenadier



Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
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Crikey. Only just caught up with this. Absolutely shocking state of affairs. Thank you Payney for all your efforts, just sorry for the accident that led to it in the first place. Unfortunately, in a post Brexit world, LR is even less liable than it was before, when the EU as a whole could get involved. Now, with the UK breaking down faster than a LHS mig-welded axle, they can likely keep pushing back with relative impunity. It will be an uphill battle.

Leading on from a comment by Payney, with regard to how many Puma drivers are rolling around oblivious to the defect and recall (let’s be honest, most Puma owners won’t be the obsessive forum members we are), I’d suggest far far more don’t know than do. And therefore how many owners have had this addressed if they were missed by the recall, none?

So here’s a thought. We’re a forum of like minded owners, with the vast majority of us being Puma owners, and there are numerous other forums out there with similar passionate owners. So given we’re all in one place, perhaps a class action against LR should be considered? And this is whether or not we have a 110 or 90, mig weld or not. Any Puma owner. Really these axles should have been replaced across the board. Like Merc mentioned in a previous post. It might cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds, but that would be a lot less than litigation after a death which could amount to millions.

So would this be worth doing? Getting all Puma owners on the two or three big forums to sign up? And perhaps get a consumer rights journalist involved. Quentin Wilson? Martin Lewis? That chap on the BBC. If they’re trying to buy Payney’s silence, they’re clearly sh*ting their pants, so imagine what might happen if hundreds, or even thousands of owners approached them and it was widely covered by the UK press, and then those of LR’s key markets such as EU, SA, Oz etc? Could be a game changer. Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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Race.it



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Spain 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White
So mine is friction welded. But still contemplating fitting the brackets if I can locate any



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Though now I am a little worried by the hole, or what looks like a hole 😱, its the car that never stops giving. Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.

5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details
Post #964712 12th Sep 2022 7:51am
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Payney1000



Member Since: 16 Feb 2022
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Ok everyone

There is clearly a something going on unless this person is part of the group.
But whoever it is ! I like how they are working 😊



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Let’s make this go viral or retweet whatever you do thing 😂. hopefully it helps to the bigger cause.
Post #964770 12th Sep 2022 4:16pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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It might be more effective however if the originator had been bright enough to know that "up most" should have been "utmost".
Post #964773 12th Sep 2022 4:53pm
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Payney1000



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Blackwolf your correct just noticed lol 😂 well least they are given it ago. But I think it’s directed at another landrover problems currently like engines blowing up etc.

I emailed the person to get more info on what they know.
Join two actions together could increase the effect.
Post #964781 12th Sep 2022 5:25pm
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