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blackrock

Member Since: 01 May 2022
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 56

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red

That is interesting, as I had looked at the construction and use rules, but didn't find exactly that part.
Thanks for finding it for me.

I think a computer is OK, as long as it only displays satnav, reversing cameras and status information like CANbus stuff.

So I think it's OK, isn't it? As long as I either don't display video or lock it out so it only displays when the car isn't being driven.

Obviously if the computer does display this stuff then it is going to fall foul of the regs. Is this tested during the MOT?

Andrew

23rd Jun 2022 5:29pm

Jeebs

Member Since: 23 Oct 2015
Location: North West
Posts: 197

1995 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Barolo Black

There’s nothing I can see in the Testers Manual or the Categorisation of Defects in relation to it.

The offence code for it is RC86143 - Use Motor Vehicle on a Road When [Television Receiving / Cinematographic Apparatus] Was Visible of the Driver.

I’d have to have a look at Hughes Traffic Law to see if there is any case law around it, but I don’t have it to hand at the moment. It may well be a slightly outdated offence saying as a phone in a holder could be considered “cinematographic apparatus” as it’s capable of displaying a moving image.

It would be an extremely picky black rat that would bother with this to be honest, unless it was relevant to another offence like due care or similar, or you’re a sweaty trucker watching porn while driving.

23rd Jun 2022 7:13pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19531

As Blackwolf suggested, rear cam or sat nav will be fine so long as not hand held.

If on a HU like mine, menus, sat nav etc and rear cam fine.
But Apple screen mirroring and TV or video content is prohibited, it’s on the first screen as a warning and also in the manuals. It’s only deigned to be used whilst stationary OR out of complete view of the driver so for example rear seat passengers.

Most systems are designed to only be used whilst stationary using handbrake signal as its signal.
However, lots of people use a bypass again like myself for one reason only.
And that isn’t to use it whilst in motion but to avoid hard wiring into factory wiring.

Personally I prefer to only use the HU whilst stopped somewhere safely anyway, only things I would do whilst driving is pause or play, open or close it or turn volume up or down nothing else and I wouldn’t do that often.
There is no doubt about it fiddling with these things or phones in motion IS a distraction.
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23rd Jun 2022 7:47pm

Jeebs

Member Since: 23 Oct 2015
Location: North West
Posts: 197

It’s fine upto 9mph after that the screen should lock you out.

There was a recent update (within the past 3yrs or so) to the regs and it’s made the life of police, ambulance and fire drivers a lot more difficult as the mobile terminals are no longer permitted to display information when moving.

23rd Jun 2022 8:07pm

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