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XplusYplusZ



Member Since: 16 Aug 2021
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Mike_F wrote:
I would politely quibble with XplusY - I wouldn't take the X3 off road at all. Not built for it, and not protected properly. A dirt road is about all I'd be brave enough to try.


Quibble accepted. My point was more a question of whether the X3 may be potentially more capable off-road than the X5 - maybe lighter with thinner tyres.. neither are particularly off-road focussed - like most SUVs.

It's a shame BMW haven't gone for a more full on off-road machine like a g-wagon.


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Post #930953 24th Nov 2021 10:31am
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J77



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The FFRR is nice, I had the Velar and when I looked at a lot of owners I realised I just didn’t fit in with the crowd. Even walking into these new JLR showrooms I feel out of place. 21MY Defender 90 D200 S, Tasman Blue, Fuji White roof.

Post #930954 24th Nov 2021 10:34am
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XplusYplusZ



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walfy wrote:
Not sure they are even in the same ball park for ability and comfort. Rolling with laughter


To be clear, these weren't neccessarily my alternatives.. just trying to be inclusive!

Glad someone's gone for the Panda.

Post #930960 24th Nov 2021 10:52am
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XplusYplusZ



Member Since: 16 Aug 2021
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juwivive wrote:
I cancelled my order yesterday, so I'm actively trying to find alternatives. It's not as easy as it sounds, as there aren't very many cars I like as much as the Defender.

Currently, I'm considering:

1. Macan GTS, the facelifted version. I test drove the previous model when I originally test drove the Defender. I preferred the Defender, and I thought the dealer was better. Wait times on the Macan are around a year, depending on which dealer you go to.
2. Giulia Quadrifoglio, though the technology is a bit out of date (no LED headlights, no 360 degree cameras, etc).
3. DS4 - a completely different type of car. According to my local dealer, they won't have one in the showroom until December or January.


The Macan's are amazing value for money at the moment - assuming you don't go silly with the options.

Entirely off-topic, but if you're looking more for large, comfy luxury than off-road capability, the BMW 7 series seem to be hugely discounted (£80k car for £60k). I guess it's not selling as well as hoped.

Post #930961 24th Nov 2021 11:00am
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pjm-84



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How much off road?

If it was off road then it would be the previous Defender or D3. Something I don't mind some minor damage to.

Post #930963 24th Nov 2021 11:13am
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Muddybigdog wrote:
VW Touareg?



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Air suspension, 4-wheel steering, pretty handy off road, able to cruise any pavement/mall


Seeing a similarity to a Bowler there:


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Post #930980 24th Nov 2021 1:56pm
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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green

And similar again……



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Post #930997 24th Nov 2021 4:03pm
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Ace7711



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Ineos Grenadier - I have an option placed so whatever car comes first will get a drive and after the second arrives I'll see which one I'll sell 110 D250 SE Tasman Blue, white roof, black pack, advanced towing pack, rear diff locker, driver assist - NOT DELIVERED

Post #931025 24th Nov 2021 6:58pm
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RobKeay



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

If your car starts with an X or Q, I can’t imagine a defender person would know what to say to them. Unless their doing a quote

Post #931052 24th Nov 2021 9:42pm
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XplusYplusZ



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Rob - I think we'd all like to think that's true.. But I think that really depends on your definition of a 'defender person'. If you're talking about the folks in sawn-off wellies & tatty overalls with an eye full of rust - you may be right.

But at the prices these things are going for now - where you'll struggle to get into a decade old defender for less than £25k, or a new one for £50k, I suspect the new target market has probably owned a couple of BMWs and Audis before upgrading to an LR product.

Post #931079 25th Nov 2021 8:59am
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RobKeay



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

They are now definitely in a new price bracket. I have sadly had to order a Ford ranger as it’s 20k and has rear seats.

Modern defender having been in one still has a workable interior. It’s very capable. My personal view is the QandX’s are just for show. Unless someone as been using it to tow a trailer out of a field, or getting dirty on the green lanes.

It’s pretty much in a class of it’s own still. G wagon maybe.

Post #931087 25th Nov 2021 10:32am
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pjm-84



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Lol, Just trying to work out how an Citroen Ami will affect my street cred alongside my camper van!

Post #931106 25th Nov 2021 1:47pm
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J77



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XplusYplusZ wrote:
Rob - I think we'd all like to think that's true.. But I think that really depends on your definition of a 'defender person'. If you're talking about the folks in sawn-off wellies & tatty overalls with an eye full of rust - you may be right.

But at the prices these things are going for now - where you'll struggle to get into a decade old defender for less than £25k, or a new one for £50k, I suspect the new target market has probably owned a couple of BMWs and Audis before upgrading to an LR product.


Tut tut, would never lower myself to driving such vehicles. 21MY Defender 90 D200 S, Tasman Blue, Fuji White roof.

Post #931146 25th Nov 2021 5:26pm
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Kiter25



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XplusYplusZ wrote:
Rob - I think we'd all like to think that's true.. But I think that really depends on your definition of a 'defender person'. If you're talking about the folks in sawn-off wellies & tatty overalls with an eye full of rust - you may be right.

But at the prices these things are going for now - where you'll struggle to get into a decade old defender for less than £25k, or a new one for £50k, I suspect the new target market has probably owned a couple of BMWs and Audis before upgrading to an LR product.



Quite offensive, what's wrong with sawn off wellies and tatty overalls, some of us do a proper day's graft dressed like this and are still able to buy a new defender!

Post #931161 25th Nov 2021 8:00pm
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Hissinsid



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Im also of the straight back to FFRR camp. In fact having now sat in one and poked about, that is my exact intention when the L460 has had time for any problems to show for early deliveries.

Post #931223 26th Nov 2021 9:50am
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