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W84IT



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I agree, I love them both...different animal and the same beast Ray
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Supacat



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blackwolf wrote:
Let's see how it copes with a snowplough on the front and a cherry-picker in the back.



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Post #883533 6th Feb 2021 9:17am
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Fellrunner



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I’m puzzled by this continuing desire to compare two vehicles that are just not comparable; surely they’re entirely different other than in name only. Why some insist on comparing a 50, 60, 70+k car with something that, even when new, cost c. 30k including ‘extras’ mystifies me. If the new defender didn’t handle better on road, or leaked etc, after you’d paid 70k, you’d be pretty annoyed wouldn’t you? Surely these aren’t selling features???

Can we stop comparing what are clearly apples and pears (you get the point!).

On a personal note and, yes, I am biased towards the old defender and feel like the new car kind of missed the point in price point at least; I’m just pleased my defender didn’t offer a “sparkle wheel” option Smile (just a joke for any overly sensitive new defender owners).
Post #883856 7th Feb 2021 8:31pm
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Supacat



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Fellrunner wrote:
If the new defender didn’t handle better on road, or leaked etc, after you’d paid 70k, you’d be pretty annoyed wouldn’t you? Surely these aren’t selling features???

Can we stop comparing what are clearly apples and pears (you get the point!).


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Post #883866 7th Feb 2021 9:49pm
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For me the issue is not about comparing apples and oranges, it is the fact that there is a vehicle (New Defender) that purports to be a 'Defender' but actually only satisfies a fraction of the users of the old one. If the New Defender was available in a range of body styles at sensible prices then there would be no issue for me. Things always change over time.
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^^^ Exactly. And in terms of some saying the Puma looks like an old tin can, at least it ‘looks’ like something and looks unique. Indeed it’s silhouette possibly being the most identifiable car on the planet and the reason LR tried to patent it. The new one may look like a shiny new aluminium can, but in doing so merely looks like every other modern, homogeneous SUV blob, of which JLR already had 8 variants and across the marketplace, and across all brands, probably 50. Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Post #883889 8th Feb 2021 7:55am
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SN



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Grenadier wrote:
The new one may look like a shiny new aluminium can, but in doing so merely looks like every other modern, homogeneous SUV blob

Clearly you need your eyes testing if you think that... Rolling Eyes

EDIT apparantly your username doesn't gives away exactly where your blinkered view lies... Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)


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Post #883894 8th Feb 2021 9:12am
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camelman



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A little bit of research and you would have noticed that Grenadier has been frequenting the forum for many years, well before the 'Grenadier' was launched... No need to get personal...
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Grenadier



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Does it really? Wow. Shocked That's some deep thinking. Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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Post #883897 8th Feb 2021 9:23am
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SN



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camelman wrote:
A little bit of research and you would have noticed that Grenadier has been frequenting the forum for many years, well before the 'Grenadier' was launched... No need to get personal...

well he should know better then Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
Post #883898 8th Feb 2021 9:36am
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blackwolf



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Supacat wrote:

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Four out of nineteen, and even the nineteen are only the mainstream ones (no snowploughs, no recovery vehicles, etc). Not such a versatile vehicle, really. Interesting that the two "130 Hydraulic Platform" versions have clearly different wheelbases!

Fellrunner wrote:
I’m puzzled by this continuing desire to compare two vehicles that are just not comparable; surely they’re entirely different other than in name only.

...

Can we stop comparing what are clearly apples and pears (you get the point!).


I don't really see why we should stop, after all it was Landrover which started it by presenting the new vehicle as a successor (not just in name) to the classic Defender. It is unreasonable not to expect comparisons as a result.

If they had called the new vehicle a Discovery almost all this debate bickering would not be taking place.

Fellrunner wrote:
... I’m just pleased my defender didn’t offer a “sparkle wheel” option Smile (just a joke for any overly sensitive new defender owners).

Give it time, I'm sure it will be an option one day (but at a price, no doubt)! Rolling with laughter
Post #883900 8th Feb 2021 10:30am
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Fellrunner



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SN wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
The new one may look like a shiny new aluminium can, but in doing so merely looks like every other modern, homogeneous SUV blob

Clearly you need your eyes testing if you think that... Rolling Eyes



Hmmm, perhaps mine need testing too then. By sheer coincidence whilst out walking with SWMBO yesterday a new defender was driving towards us and we couldn’t work out if it was the disco or defender until it was quite close.

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diduan



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Maybe we shoul get a New defender dislike section in the classic defender space, where we can exchange our thoughts without been sent to the eye check or called stuck in the past.

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Post #883913 8th Feb 2021 11:21am
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In that case why are you posting on the new L633 forum? If you don’t like it, scroll on by. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
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Post #883916 8th Feb 2021 11:32am
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blackwolf



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^^^ Possibly because it is in a thread titled "Old vs New Defender 110", a title which rather invites comparison between the two, don't you think?

Let us all keep civil and retain the good humour and good manners that makes this forum better than the rest, whilst acknowledging that we have (and will probably always have) different views. We can be an "inclusive" forum.
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