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blackwolf



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Supacat wrote:
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Anybody watched this? https://t.co/eRX1DBnl6H
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Unfortunately the video has been removed. I presume that its trip through the ford was uneventful?
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Supacat



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Well I'm wondering that now myself...

I see that JLR have issued instructions for leaking new Defenders, so the Water Ingress Manual MkII is up and running.
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blackwolf wrote:
Not a ford, but this remains one of my all-time favourite moron-plus-deep-water videos.



Morons is certainly the right word. I’ve no issues with people co*king about, even risking their lives doing it, but it’s the complete disregard for others or in this case ‘other things’ that gets my goat. That pond’s wildlife must love all that diesel, transmission fluid, hydraulic fluid and general detritus. As you say, morons. Disrespectful, ignorant morons. Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Supacat



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I'm slightly torn ~ didn't Camel Trophy, back in the day, do almost exactly the same thing?


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I think that 'back in the day' is the pertinent phrase there. One of the reasons they fell out of favour was the perception of thrashing through somebody else's' country with little regard for the environment. Still fun to watch though. Darren

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Muddybigdog wrote:
How will the electric brigade cope with deepish water?


In the video there’s a Hyundai Ioniq electric crossing Rufford Ford.

Generally elec does better in water than internal combustion engines. The rot sets in much later. JB

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SSM 75160 - Water Ingress after Wading
"Cause: Various quality issues with regards to body sealing, harness grommet fitment."

And the kicker for a company that wants to look after it's customers:

"please only repair the leak points as reported by the customer."

So quote this SSM and say they all do! Thumbs Up


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I generally don't comment on threads or posts relating to the new Def. - I just don't feel like I have any stake in it, so to speak. However those pictures above are quite striking. That's a lot of leak points for a brand new vehicle designed to be a class-leading off roader, isn't it?

Are these supposed to be sealed in reality, but leak due to poor quality control? Donald

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not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
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Supacat



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It's there in black & white from JLR:

"Cause: Various quality issues with regards to body sealing, harness grommet fitment."
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That is shocking. I’m still amazed that a company run for a decade by a German who learnt his trade over 20 years working for possibly the best built cars on the planet (BMW) never managed to get on top of QC, arguably JLR’s greatest reputation failing, during his tenure. Surely that should have been the first thing he addressed? Instead they still bounce around the bottom of the reliability pile. And now they’ve got someone from Renault, who haven’t had the most illustrious history in reliability... Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

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To be fair modern quality control has nose dived in the last few years with the 'leading' german brands now seem far the worst offenders......
Suspect its all about extracting the maximum profit from the lowest cost
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Irritates me that LR use the word "concern" in all of these kind of notices/responses/advisories when we all know the correct word is "fault" or "failure" but of course that would infer an admission of something that's LR's fault and we can't have that now can we? Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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Supacat



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SSM 75003 - Steering Gear Warning Light
And wading also giving phantom software errors?

"Cause: Software error within the PSCM (Power Steering Control Module) that is most likely to occur after wading."


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That's not good...
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