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LandRoverAnorak



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It's difficult to say exactly, but the rear seats in a Puma (both 2nd and 3rd row) are bloomin' heavy, so I'd definitely say that there will be a net gain by removing them. Darren

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Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...


It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).

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Croker wrote:
camelman wrote:
Don't forget the VAN speed limits Sad

van speed limits don't necessarily apply to dual purpose vehicles. 4x4's are ok if taxed normally, when there used to be "commercial" VED options such as Farmers Light Goods then the speed limits applied but on PLG the car limits apply as I understand it?


"Van' (actually light goods vehicle) speed limits never apply to DPVs, that was the point of the introduction of the DPV classification. The issue is whether any variant of the new Defender can be made light enough to meet the maximum unladen weight restriction of the DPV legal definition.

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blackwolf wrote:
Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...


It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).


I had wondered about the 40kg bit but not connected the dots. Thumbs Up

I was thinking that if they went to the trouble of introducing a new SI in 1986 then there should have been consultation (following the normal current review process) and the weight threshold was part of that process then.

I haven't looked anything up but it would be interesting to see what vehicles actually sat in this class back then.

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The commercial will be named Hard Top

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...cial-model



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i found this interesting in the article J, so coils on both the 90 & 110 as standard rather than air

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Both 90 and 110 Hard Top models use independent coil-sprung suspension, with electronic air suspension optional on the larger model.
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I struggle to understand with variant. The model was created to chase volume and yet the selling line on it is “a unique combination of cargo space, practicality and comfort”.

Unique not class leading ~ how's that chasing numbers?

I do like this:

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I'm guessing that's an advance order of all the bits they may have forgotten to put on at the factory or may fall off or fail in the first 6 months. Tick Warranty Plus on the options list.

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Perhaps a standard Euro pallet will fit in, but as the Powerful video demonstrated, what looks to be a UK dimension pallet won't.


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So a five door 110 with blanked out rear side windows is a Hard Top rather than a USW? Chalk up another one to the marketing team Rolling Eyes Darren

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Supacat wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...


It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).


I had wondered about the 40kg bit but not connected the dots. Thumbs Up

I was thinking that if they went to the trouble of introducing a new SI in 1986 then there should have been consultation (following the normal current review process) and the weight threshold was part of that process then.

I haven't looked anything up but it would be interesting to see what vehicles actually sat in this class back then.


An early example was the 80" Land-Rover. A little further reading makes me thing that the DPV definition was introduced around 1948, when there were differences between private cars and commercials in terms of speed limits (commercials limited to 30mph I believe), purchase tax (paid on cars not commercials), and fuel (there was both red and white petrol then). There are exchanges recorded in Hansard from this time raising the incongruities and pushing for change, and I think the change was the DPV classification.

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lohr500 wrote:
Perhaps a standard Euro pallet will fit in, but as the Powerful video demonstrated, what looks to be a UK dimension pallet won't.




If you take the masses of plastic trim out (which you will pay extra for in the “hardtop” ) then a pallet will probably just fit. Ray
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zilch wrote:
i found this interesting in the article J, so coils on both the 90 & 110 as standard rather than air

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Both 90 and 110 Hard Top models use independent coil-sprung suspension, with electronic air suspension optional on the larger model.


It’s always been rumoured that the 110 would get coils. Coils knock about £2k off the price plus it’ll save weight.

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I think I'd still option air over coils though. But without specific pricing it's hard to make that decision. I was told back before the dealer launch that it would be on coils as standard and air would be an option.
But then how long before an aftermarket company comes out with an air ride system, won't be cheap and I think that air as an tickbox option would be a better system properly integrated in to the vehicle 110 USW
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It would’ve looked better had they continued the white panels onto the doors.

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