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Tim in Scotland



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Maybe Tesla might consider something less radical like a commercial version of the Y or the X Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
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The Rest of the Auto Industry Is in Trouble
From here:
https://loupventures.com/the-rest-of-the-a...n-trouble/

"June quarter deliveries are further evidence that Tesla has the auto industry backed into a corner. It’s becoming more and more difficult to envision a scenario in which legacy automakers will find a way to meaningful expand the small share of EVs that they have today. We expect, over the next two years, other auto OEMs will struggle to gain measurable ground on Tesla’s 80% US EV share. Ten years from now, once dominant manufacturers will be largely irrelevant in the conversation on the future of transportation.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%. While an incomplete comparison, in March, Tesla’s global delivery numbers were up 40% year over year compared to the US auto industry down 29%.

It’s becoming more clear that it will be difficult for traditional automakers to catch up to Tesla, as demand for Teslas continues to outpace the broader industry. As the company scales to meet demand, Tesla’s price-performance gap versus other carmakers will widen, because other carmakers are producing EVs sub-scale, creating a dilemma:

If traditional auto releases a car with features and range at parity and sells the car at cost, it will be priced 10-25% higher than a comparable Tesla. This will soften demand and lead to further market share loss.

If traditional auto subsidizes vehicles to gain market share they will lose money with limited margin cushion. The more they sell, the more money they lose. Taking it to the logical end, we believe car companies that have been around for 50+ years will eventually (10 years from now) be forced to restructure or go out of business.

This year, we believe 3-5% of cars sold in the US will be electric. Musk has been right on production to date and expects deliveries to grow at 40-50% per year over the next decade, which implies ramping annual production from about 500k vehicles today to over 15 million in 2030."
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Supacat



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I've not kept pace with the story, but can you now order as opposed to just place a deposit?

Also, refreshing to see a manufacturer actually hit the price point(s) initially floated...
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https://uk.motor1.com/news/489977/elon-mus...gn-update/ WARNING.
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Supacat



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So still no final design, and factory not built yet; but on target for 2021 sales ~ now that's a real industry disruptor.
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Looks like folded paper.... the origami Tesla.... Rolling with laughter Ride like you stole it!!
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