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diesel_jim



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^^^^ Rears on a 110 won't fit the front. Springs are a larger diameter

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Jim, this is what I love about this forum. A well mannered, informative response to a theory that can’t be right. I’m sure a few people have read your reply and will have stashed that info away now.

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Thank you everyone for the response and feedback. It is much appreciated.

JLR's technical response was each car is different and will sit different (how that makes sense I am not sure).
I sent them a picture of the new springs next to the original (old) ones and their response was I can't compare new springs to old, worn out springs....however, the vehicle only has 15,000 km.
Really seems like they don't want to own up to the issue. I told them their response was not acceptable and they are investigating further.

Here is a photo of the original 2015 front springs vs Classic Works. Considerable diference in height on the front. Apparently (according to the invoice this is Part # LR135108 ).

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The rears were the same height

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Thank you again to all.

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It’s a really poor response from them. Clearly the spring is shorter!! I feel for you, clearly it must put a downer in what were no doubt some hefty improvement bills. Instagram @richmond_custom

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darwin1 wrote:
(according to the invoice this is Part # LR135108 ).


Which is correct P/N at least.

You should measure the wheel centre to arch eyebrow distance with the car sat on flat level ground. Speak to JLR and ask them to get the classic works team to confirm what that measurement should be for a puma engined car. I’d be tempted to ask for the measurement without providing yours. It’s a standard measurement that should be present and will have an acceptable tolerance range on it, e.g. +\- 15mm or similar. Unless they’ve been unusually cowboy someone will have that info.

It could be a bad batch of springs, if you can’t get a good response from them I’d be tempted to go back to standard springs and ask for a refund on the classic works springs. The upgraded dampers will still improve the ride and handling even with standard springs. 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2

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Co1 wrote:
It’s a really poor response from them. Clearly the spring is shorter!! I feel for you, clearly it must put a downer in what were no doubt some hefty improvement bills.


Sadly it also seem to be a very typical response from them. "You're only a customer, you can't possibly be right or know what you're talking about"!

It seems odd that the the new spring is so much shorter uncompressed and the material is thinner suggesting softer. A shorter and softer spring I would think would have exactly the effect you've experienced. To my mind something isn't right.

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Or, simply, the Work setup is lower than normal........ Defender 90SW 2.4 TDCi Stornoway Grey Outback Engineering Limited Edition


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Clearly it’s meant to be lower than standard.

OPs vehicle looks to be maybe 60mm lower?

It shouldn’t be that low! 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2

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It doesn’t look right to me - compare the following two piccies, yes one is a station wagon and the other is a soft top - so there is likely to be a difference with the rear ride height - but not that amount on the front - something isn’t right imho


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Works V8 is lower I thought that was a given, strange that the rears look the same.
Look for pictures of a Boeler set, to compare as they also do a 2” lower kit I think..

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The two piccies above are both Works Suspension 2017 Range Rover L405 Vogue SE V8 Diesel #16
Land Rover 110 300 TDI

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darwin1



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Yes, exactly.
When you compare V8 Classic Works pictures, the ride height appears basically the same as stock.
Land Rover promoted this suspension upgrade as improved on-road handling with still maintaining off-road performance.
Clearly not the case here.

Really grateful for how amazing this forum is.

Will wait for an update on Monday from LR Classic (hopefully).

Thank you again.

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its a national holiday in the UK on Monday so you may not get a response...

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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Aintree Green

Accessories kit is intended to stand about the same as a Works V8, which is a little lower and a more level than most standard Defenders. As previous commentators have correctly stated , the Works TDCi front springs are different to the Works V8 front springs; to allow for the difference in weight distribution.

Did you use the spacer in the kit? If so on which corner? What is the GVW rating of your vehicle? Was the original suspension standard or heavy duty?

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