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| wildrover Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: Notts Posts: 51  
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Signed up to INEOS on inception. So far no real info. Except engine choice and factory location.
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16th Nov 2019 10:48am |
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that's some serious timescale. I really hope it works out. The design brief of the vehicle appeals to me far more than the new defender, plus it's bringing much needed employment/investment into my local area. Definitely got my full support.| wildrover Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: Notts Posts: 51
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I agree, just a shame no teaser shots. Otherwise, I may have waited before ordering the new Defender.
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16th Nov 2019 12:49pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Plenty of time to cancel your deposit. Be interesting to know why you would think the two vehicles would be competition for your hard earned as they seem to be going for two very different markets?
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16th Nov 2019 6:57pm |
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| Albion Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 141 
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Article from today’s The Times:
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17th Nov 2019 7:15am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995 
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This disappoints me a bit. The Grenadier doesn’t need to be a Defender clone to succeed. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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17th Nov 2019 9:54am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Excellent news.
First I've read that JLR actually rejected his attempts to buy Defender production equipment. JLR trying to save face after telling everyone that you can't build a boxy vehicle like the old Defender anymore because of legislation and then finds someone is going to do just that... 
Are they concerned that the Grenadier will be hailed as the vehicle JLR should have built? To me you can't vacate that portion of the market voluntarily and then try and stop others from filling the gap. |
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17th Nov 2019 9:55am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3008 
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Agreed. It would be awful if they made an ersatz Defender. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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17th Nov 2019 9:57am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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Would be interested to understand what the Defender and heritage shape trademarks are. And why Land Rover chose to omit them from the new Defender if they were so precious.
I guess it's the square back end, flat front, tapered roofline, bulkhead below windscreen with vents, round headlights, barreled sides, door tops, cappings, exposed rear crossmember, L594 lenses... |
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17th Nov 2019 10:21am |
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| wildrover Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: Notts Posts: 51
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I agree, I am sure we all want GRENADIER to be a clone. It has to be unique to be successful. I am sure we all want it to succeed, especially as it creates jobs in Wales to hopefully go in someway to replace Bridgend jobs. |
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17th Nov 2019 10:49am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I had to look that word up - good points on the scrabble board
With the genuine passion that appears to be coming from the Ineos project, I would hope that a number of the failings of the old Defender will be addressed and at the same time we'll be getting a few enhancements, albeit they may be priced as optional extras. Fingers crossed. |
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17th Nov 2019 11:04am |
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| G4UJS Member Since: 20 Jan 2019 Location: Shropshire Posts: 226 
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Jaguar Land Rover has lost an attempt to trademark the shape of its old Defender 4x4 after a long-running battle with tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe. ... However, last month, the Intellectual Property Office ruled that the Defender was not sufficiently distinctive from other 4x4s to justify the trademarks.
From The Times online Regards Rob |
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17th Nov 2019 7:33pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2520  
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Ask any kid to draw a car and the boxy shape and wheels will always look Defenderish, no different from the original line drawing in the sand all those years ago.
Ironically many modern cars look the same because the same parameters are put into the computer and they pop out of the same jelly mould with a different grill and badge. |
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17th Nov 2019 11:31pm |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila, SFO, Amsterdam Posts: 672 
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In my thinking, they can start off with the basic Defender platform but now they can modernize it like what Mercedes Benz with the G series and Jeep did with the Wrangler series.
The vehicle is still a Defender (or Grenadier in this case) but updated to work out the old kinks, modernize it a bit and make it more capable. Last edited by HardCharger on 19th Nov 2019 2:10am. Edited 1 time in total |
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18th Nov 2019 3:41am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Thing I would most like is an engine that can genuinely pull a 3.5 Tonne trailer over the M62 without having to worry about pulling into lane 2 on one of the hills to overtake and then not have the power to get ahead.
An auto box with more than 5 speeds would be 2nd. |
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18th Nov 2019 8:47am |
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