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pcoote



Member Since: 01 Aug 2010
Location: Oxford
Posts: 64

United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

All this pent up drama, we are being played like fools. There will never/can never be a replacement for the Defender. Why do you peeps even want a replacement ?
A Defender is all about keeping it until death do us part, not for me playing the manufactures game of a replacement cycles, like it’s a mobile phone. Infotainment systems, I’ve watched the YouTube vids and they seems like slow motion nightmares that don’t work if the sunshines.
If you’ve moved on to a jeeps, Kias, Suzukis, G-wagons or whatever good luck to you but please get off this forum.
Land Rover please don’t call this car a DEFENDER, because it won’t be.
I might even end up buying one but not as a replacement for my Defender, I don’t ever envisage ever replacing it.

Post #768676 15th Apr 2019 2:33pm
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OsloBlue



Member Since: 14 Jul 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 547

United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Oslo Blue

I’m looking at getting a land cruiser whilst retaining my defender... Defender Drag racer & achiever of "How is that possible" speed
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html
Previously: Disco 3/4 2010 Manual, BMW 325D SE, '08 Nissan Pathfinder, '08 Nissan Navara, '08 Focus ST, '97 Vectra track car.

Post #768680 15th Apr 2019 2:59pm
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discomog



Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 1430

United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Like Pcoote I may end up buying a new Defender if it meets our needs but it will be a replacement for our Disco Sports, not a replacement for our Defender Santorini 90XS SW
Discovery Sport
Morgan Plus 8

Post #768681 15th Apr 2019 3:36pm
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Gone Bushy



Member Since: 15 Apr 2019
Location: Peaks
Posts: 3

United Kingdom 

JLR have fallen a long way down the Rabbit hole.............3 words, Jimny, G-wagon, Wrangler

Post #768685 15th Apr 2019 4:05pm
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LiftedDisco



Member Since: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Towcester
Posts: 225

Wow... so many words, so many opinions - even going as far as saying if you’ve bought another model, then it’s time to leave Def2!

Shocked

It really is time to realise (and accept) that evolution has to take place - new Mini is a) no longer new; b) nothing like ‘old’ Mini and c) overall pretty much better than the original iteration!

New Defender / Forthcoming Defender / Overdue Defender will be an absolute winner when it comes to off-road capability - I’ve followed prototype vehicles around Eastnor and have also done some extreme (very extreme) stuff with current LR product as absolutely ‘out of the box’ (3,000 miles on the clock, FFRR on road tyres...) that simply couldn’t have been undertaken with an original Defender.

Sorry if that sounds like complete heresy, but it’s true...

Would I want to maintain one in extreme conditions - hell, no but there were any number of folks who thought we were doomed when we went over from 300 Tdi to TD5 and similar moments of crisis when the D3 was originally launched and yet there are now many, many home maintained (and off-road equipped) D3’s to be found in daily use.

Looks - I’ve been told (by someone who has seen the impending vehicle in the flesh, so to speak) that I will ‘like’ the new Defender but I’m quite likely to be keen to swap the D5 for one when we have a bit more news!

I’m keen to see the progress and fully understand the commercial need to deliver vehicles for 2020 and beyond... dare I suggest that the next real challenge (and, I suspect, the reasoning behind the delayed launch...) will be getting a meaningful PHEV or fully electric version to function in a whole-world off-highway capability scenario...

Post #768740 15th Apr 2019 9:04pm
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mikelike



Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 74

Yes , so as predicted the new Defender is a re bodied Discovery 5 .

Standard factory capability , but not very tuneable !

Premium durability ? Google Disco 5 problems , electronic nightmare !

Why a disco chassis ? Because Land Rover is cost cutting and does not have the means and inclination to develop a bespoke Defender that has tunability and bushability !

If this Defender is perceived to be another soft roader , all credibility is lost , and it will only scavenge sales from other
JLR products .

Talk to the Jeep boys and the most exciting thing about the new Jeep is the truck bed Gladiator . This by the way will be a huge success because this is what consumers are buying globally , double cab pick ups !

How is Land Rover going to make this , a one tonne carrying , 3.5 tonne pulling , truck bed successfully on a Discovery 5 chassis ?

We all love the Defender 90 , but who is going to buy it , especially this at a premium ?
We all buy a 110 for practical reasons of more luggage space etc , but the dimensions of the new Pretender do not look promising as far as a great leap forward on practicality reasons .

Take the Evoque for example , the two door looked way better than the four door , but no one bought it and JLR dropped it .

Are we going to see the Defender2 in the middle east in huge numbers , will we see it in the Australian bush in numbers ,
In Africa in numbers , or will we see it mainly in urban areas , close to dealers with scan tools and leafy suburbs ?

Post #769297 19th Apr 2019 11:57pm
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BogMonster



Member Since: 05 Feb 2008
Location: Stanley
Posts: 148

Falkland Islands 2006 Defender 110 300 Tdi SW Tonga Green

discomog wrote:
Like Pcoote I may end up buying a new Defender if it meets our needs but it will be a replacement for our Disco Sports, not a replacement for our Defender


Snap, except it will replace the Shogun (or not). ---
2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Mitsubishi Shogun SG2 • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi

Post #769471 21st Apr 2019 4:48pm
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Supacat



Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 5725

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Discovery Sport Up to £3,500
Discovery Up to £7,000
New Range Rover Evoque £1,000
Range Rover Velar Up to £4,080
Range Rover Sport Up to £1,000
Range Rover Up to £1,000


Interesting to see the Disco 5 have the highest dealer contribution in the latest marketing blurb I've received. A symptom of its poor sales?

I'm just reading an article about the Bollinger B1 and can't help thinking this is exactly what I would want from the new Defender :

"In short, the goal is to create a nondisposable truck: a 4x4 rugged enough to last for decades, simple enough for its owner to modify and flexible enough to evolve alongside rapidly advancing battery technology."

https://autoweek.com/article/trucks/bollin...r-need-buy

Post #771355 3rd May 2019 1:58pm
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