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| Clive Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Littleborough Posts: 467   
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Admittedly this article is geared more towards domestic appliances, but I'm sure anyone who's attempted to repair a "modern" car lately can relate, having said that, haven't us Landy owners been doing this for years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46797396 |
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9th Jan 2019 11:14am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2287 
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'Right to repair'...
'Right what's next'...  SKIP
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9th Jan 2019 11:38am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084  
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'Right to Repair' I think we should have a referendum on this
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9th Jan 2019 12:35pm |
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so tumble dryers on fire need i say more| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822 
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Totally agree with both points
I remember there was a repair shop on high street growing up that sold parts for white goods. I remember my uncle repairing my grandmothers washing machine several times over its 20 year life span. Obviously this doesn’t happen anymore as parts are typically bespoke, and that’s what ISO, BS, BBA and ENs are for, standardisation or parts and protocols, but this affects efficiency of the completed units. Just about the only household good I could repair these days are Henry hoovers, we’ve had ours for well over 20 years. The obvious downside is that incompetent repairs can be worse than a broken device. I know quite a couple of people who are walking round with microwave & particle radiation burns (and suffered from radiation poisoning) because of inadequate service overhaul of equipment. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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9th Jan 2019 3:44pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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two of my best friends recently got Audi A3s as company cars
One had water in ECU screwed the whole engine up, then once repaired had to jump start my other mate who is the other a3 owner and blew fuses and put both cars in limp mode. Other a3 owner kept cracking intercoolers and leaking all sorts of fluids over his drive. That’s in addition to battery draining somewhere somehow... Any work that’s not carried out at dealer voids warranty, voiding warranty can lead to it being an repoed if under finance or lease. 3 day wait at main dealer... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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9th Jan 2019 3:52pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2494 
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Hmm. I seem to remember not long ago the government introduced a scrappage scheme for cars as an incentive for buying EV's as they claim EV's are more environmentally friendly than constantly repairing your old banger and keep it going. Though not that environmentally friendly when you have to scrap the old batteries in seven years time! I cannot keep my old horse box on the road with a Euro 4 engine and if I change it for a Euro 5 engined truck then I'm still stung for emission zone charges - the government encourage me to buy an all singing, all dancing Euro 6 engine. I'm confused - I thought they wanted me to repair and not replace. Let's have some joined up thinking Mr Government.
The government also encourage consumers to change their white goods for newer more energy efficient models. It's OK repairing items but over the last 50 years we have been indoctrinated as consumers into a throw away society. We decided a couple of months ago to replace our six year old washing machine - so why didn't we repair it. We could have replaced the pcb and got it working, but the door seal was on its way out, the internal pipework was gunged up and the selector knob graphics had worn off. Plus the fact the government want me to replace my machine which was energy rated E to a new one rated at A+. I'm as confused with the governments thinking on this as I am with Brexit. (Sorry to mention the B word) Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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9th Jan 2019 4:20pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3009 
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The scrappage scheme was introduced to prop up the motor industry after the banks collapsed the economy.
IIRC there was a different grant towards the cost of EV's. |
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9th Jan 2019 5:44pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19520
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That scheme was biased. Why was Citroen etc and those EU brands paid out to benefit them via this country. When Ford the owner of JLR at the time was seeking support the govt then told them to get stuffed. Now it’s Tata India owned the Defender we all loved is shoved out the window. Diesels Lives Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️
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9th Jan 2019 7:52pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 04 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 4932
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we need to go back to those days, I remember my granddad getting his TV fixed. Lost trade that sadly, I used to repair the odd computers for friends, even that's on the phase out, everything just seems built to be chucked with in a year or two Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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9th Jan 2019 9:00pm |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 904  
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+1 above I remember my nan having her (then) ancient TV repaired in the late 80's / early 90's.
I seem to remember computer repair work phasing out in the early noughties! I was working in IT then and hoped to start my own business (youthful enthusiasm!) in repairs/custom build computers but realised it was a fast dieing trade. The throwaway society needs to stop, but the government seem to encourage it with stupid things such as scrappage schemes! Likewise with importing so many things from food to electronic goods and cars - that cannot be "green" or sustainable. Unfortunately I don't think it will change. |
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10th Jan 2019 9:13am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995 
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You can get parts easily on line for most white goods, in the last few years I’ve replaced the drive belt on our washing machine, the latch on out tumble dryer and the element in our oven. Is this something more than that? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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10th Jan 2019 9:45am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Perhaps it's a generational thing but I had "make do and mend" drilled into me from a very early age. Many people have either lost, or never had, the the common sense manual skills to turn their hand to applying the phrase to their personal lives. Where there is a will, there is a way. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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10th Jan 2019 1:40pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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I don’t think it’s so much a generational thing,
I grew up in a JAM family where my dad had his mortgage paid off, so arguably below the poverty line. Never went on holiday, aside from maybe a day trip to a museum, cinema or maybe a trip down to Leigh on sea. I’ve never broken something out of anger despite nearly doing it a few times, to me it’s just a waste of a perfectly good item. Same goes for food, tend not to waste a scrap. Hell I like my tech but I’ve had the same phone for 2 years, and will probably keep it for at least another 2. (Iphone6s+). Mind you I never hoard. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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10th Jan 2019 2:59pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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I think the issue is more pragmatic than that. I've never had a problem getting parts to repair white goods but after a certain point it just becomes uneconomic. For example, replacing a compressor on a fridge might cost nearly as much as buying a new one but the latter will be a lot more efficient, delivered to your door and likely include disposing of the old one. That won't always be the case but these things are all a lot less complicated than cars and have very little second hand value, so they become uneconomic to repair much easier.
Electronics are a different proposition entirely. Whilst it's already quite easy to get something like a broken phone screen repaired, the rest of it is essentially solid state. To turn one of those into a design that could be maintained would involve a complete redesign and end up with something bigger, heavier and probably inherently more unreliable. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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10th Jan 2019 3:12pm |
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