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munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

trouble is with defender built tolerances nothing can be mass produced that's a tight fit !

29th May 2014 7:46pm

Hairysteve

Member Since: 15 Jun 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 692

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Barolo Black

General Grabber wrote:
So, I ordered these mud shields and as with previous orders, they were delivered in record time by Gwyn Lewis.

So far so good.

However, I do have a word of warning, which is not made clear by Gwyn Lewis.

As I have now found out after a very frustrating couple of hours at the weekend, it is impossible to fit these to any vehicle that has a tubular bumper without first removing the whole bumper and towbar assembly. Which is clearly not a 5 minute job.

On my 90 CSW there is a bracket under each side of the rear tub that supports for the rear seatbelts. This is explained in the comprehensive instructions GL provide with the mud shields. These need to be removed before the mud shield can be installed. However the lower of the two bolts that hold on these supports is held captive behind the bumper.

There is no way to remove the bolt as far as I can see without removing the bumper and towbar. And that is something that I am just not prepared to do, just to fit a couple of bits of laser-cut plastic.

So if you have a tubular bumper fitted, it might be worth checking before you spend £47 that you can get your brackets off and your mud shields in place.

Consequently I now have a pair of brand new but ever so slightly scuffed mud shields that are of no use.

So after a few hours I have given up fitting these to the rear of MY2009 Puma. So annoyed as the instructions make it seem simple but with the rear seat belt supports I could not fit them without undoing a lot of sub work. Please tell me it is just me and there is a way around fitting them http://www.gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/product/land...epped-tub/

Frustrated Steve

20th Aug 2016 10:17am

adamatdraycott

Member Since: 11 Nov 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 299

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Corris Grey

To me these don't really serve a purpose... Mine has been undersealed from new and the only areas that have stone chipped are the seat belt supports

20th Aug 2016 11:22am

Hairysteve

Member Since: 15 Jun 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 692

Sadly mine seems to collect mud so have been seeking ways to cut down the hours of cleaning

20th Aug 2016 12:31pm

doublea

Member Since: 12 Jul 2011
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 495

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Adventure Phoenix Orange

On my 110 utility, theses were a breeze to fit. Although it has the stepped rear tub, it doesn't have the brace for the seat belt mounts. I reckon they're essential to preserve the rear crossmember as they protect all the way down to the lower edge, which is right in the line of fire for blasting by the rear wheels.

I also fitted them to the 90SW, it was necessary to remove the brace on each side. It wasn't too bad as the vehicle was brand new, there are two awkward nuts at the top rear, removed from underneath with a socket extension and universal joint, two bolts with captive nuts accessed via the seatbelt end inside and the two bolts going through the rear crossmember.It shouldn't be necessary to remove a rear step bumper so long as the nut is removed from the ends of the bolts going through the rear crossmember; the whole brace should move forward and off the ends but the fuel filler will restrict movement after a point. I got the brace powder coated and wax treated whilst it was removed.

As for value for money, it depends how you value your own time. Rather than buying a third set, I recently made my own. They're not as good as the gywn Lewis ones but they'll do the job. If I need another set, I'll be forking out! Current Steeds:
2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green
2003 BMW F650 the Hack
2000 Elise
1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo)
1990 TDR 250 (in bits again)
1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale

20th Aug 2016 2:33pm

driver9

Member Since: 15 Oct 2012
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 111

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

I have been pleased with my mud shields even though the ones that protect the cross member were a bit of a pain to fit. As stated before proving you can remove the nuts holding the seat belt anchor to the cross member you should be able to fit them. Have you highlighted the problem you are having to Gwyn Lewis? They might be able to point you in the right direction.

I extended the front of the inner wheel arch liners on my 90 so the bumper does not fill up with crud.

20th Aug 2016 3:07pm

Hairysteve

Member Since: 15 Jun 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 692

Hi Driver9,

Thanks for the info.

Yea, I emailed them this morning and am sure they will come back with a solution I was just a little annoyed this morning when I write this note

and should of reached out to them first.

Thanks,

Steve

20th Aug 2016 3:15pm

Cupboard

Member Since: 21 Mar 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2971

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey

There's a way you can fit them without bolting anything through the tub.

You need some of what GL call speed screws (they have other names but they're fairly easy to get hold of if you know what you're looking for, ebay have them or https://www.beal.org.uk/hardware-fasteners...tml?page=2 ) then just mount the angle brackets the other way round to one of the top hat tub bracing brackets.

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21st Aug 2016 9:30pm

thor44

Member Since: 18 Sep 2015
Location: Ahrntal, Südtirol
Posts: 128

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

I recently installed the full set on my 90. Fitting the front mud shields was really a piece of cake. The rear ones were a little bit more cumbersome to install, mostly because of the awkward positions of some screws.
Nevertheless I think they are a valuable addition to any Defender, especially after I had to remove at least 2kg of mud and dirt from the rear crossmember and behind the original mud shields which obviously should have the purpose of protecting the back lights and wiring from mud in the first place.

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30th Aug 2016 8:44am

Cupboard

Member Since: 21 Mar 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2971

Yes, the amount of mud I could out of mine was quite alarming.

And all the stuff attached on to the front of the bulkhead too! I ended up with a huge heap on the floor.

30th Aug 2016 9:46am

seriesonenut

Member Since: 19 Nov 2014
Location: Essex
Posts: 1244

I have just fitted a front set and a set in front of the rear wheels on my 110 csw. My truck is now 24 years old and suffering from all the road dirt and salt thrown forward attacking the cross rail supporting the tub and the side frames. Yes they are expensive but they will do the job. You can still get behind them to clean out the area if necessary and the rears will come out simply by removing two screws.

Having repaired the damage I am confident this will help prevent more damage long term. I always washed out the mud traps but it still corroded and had trapped mud inside when I finally took it all apart. If I had a new or nearly new 110 I would fit them as soon as I could.

30th Aug 2016 8:05pm

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