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| boode Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: Devon Posts: 436   
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The need for fog lights will depend on where you live - if it is in an area where coastal fogs are common then anything that improves visibility will help
The Amber LEDs cut through fog and do not reflect back like a white light would Amber lights are also much better in falling snow ( for the same reflective reasons ) which is why I bought them for the trip. As it turned out we did not have any falling snow in Norway - just a complete white out blizzard where only blind faith and ignorance helped us through - but I have used them in fog back at home |
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15th Sep 2012 9:38pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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But I have lived all over the UK which has included East and West Coasts from Southern England, Wales all the way up to Scotland. On top of that I have done a whole load of driving in Sweden and Norway (up to the circle) during winter. and also in Canada during winter and regularly spend a few weeks in the Alps during the sports season. I also got to spend the Winter in the Falkland Islands which is bleak at good times. Either the weather breaks for me or my 100m is a lot smaller than others....... Might have to measure 6 inches again
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As for the snow, you will either be lead vehicle- so get the bad boy main spots on (I use blue filters on the lightforces when in snow) or you are following- in which case if the guy behind me had fog lights on at 50m I would be getting severely  off or a thumping headache due to the glare.
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15th Sep 2012 9:57pm |
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| boode Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: Devon Posts: 436
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I wonder why car manufacturers fit fog lights - front and back - if we will never need them
I find them usefull when it is foggy to have clearer vision - as most users will. Blue Filters on Light Force lights may well work in snow - I have not tried them and will not knock something I have not tried ( But the D2s do throw out a huge amount of light and do work well as lead vehicle lighting in fog and snow ) However the post was asking about fog lights in bumpers and not Bad Boy Spots |
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15th Sep 2012 10:31pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4801  
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I live in Devon a mile from the sea on a hill and visibility is less than 100 meters quite frequently in the winter, to the point I'm driving by the white lines, extra low down light would be great for illuminating the hedge too. Exmoor fog has to be seen to be believed at night! So does anybody know who makes the bumpers? 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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15th Sep 2012 11:41pm |
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| mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645
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Find the light - we will make you a bumper!
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16th Sep 2012 8:05am |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3666 
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 Click image to enlarge I used Ring driving lights in my bumper and Nak finishing rings (which like all Nak stuff were expensive but well made) I considered fog lamps nearer the ends of the bumper which I thought would be legal but realy wanted more light for country lanes not for fog. I drilled all the holes in the bumper myself except the 4 big ones but only because my piller drill was too small I brought a cutter 2mm bigger than Nak recommends and slipped the local engineering firm £20 to drill them for me. Im very happy with the asthetics. As I used the standard LR spot light loom I changed the 55w lamps to 25w but they still make a big difference, as Glynn says I do get some shadows but it is hardly noticable, If I had 55w in each lamp which would defo need a bigger fuse and possible be outside the standard LR loom wire capability Im sure the Improvement would be even greater total cost was Genuine LR loom £120 with dash switch (Paul on here does them made to order much cheaper and with thicker wiring if required) Lamps Ring from Halfords circa £25 for 2 (driving or Fog see the NAK site they use ring) Tank cutter and arbour circa £20 (starrett) Labour for cutting holes circa £10-20 or do it yourself if you have a big drill Nak rings circa £80 (check the NAK site memory poor) Plugs to fit onto lamps that match LR loom circa £5 Stainelss nuts bots and washers for mounting circa £2 to be fair the finish on the holes in the bumper was brilliant and a bit of paint on the exposed metal would have negated the use of the rings, if I was doing it again I might save a bit of cost there where I put mine gave me a number plate issue and the position shown of the photo was a tempory fix go for it Rob DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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16th Sep 2012 8:20am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4801
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Tim, i'm still recovering from the spend i had with you at Peterborough!
Rob, that is a really nice job, the finish is great (as are your bumpers Tim!) i think 4 would be too many for me but the beauty of a home brew i suppose is you can do what you want! Also I'm looking for NAK and struggling to find anything. Is it an abbreviation for something? 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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16th Sep 2012 8:56am |
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| PaulMc Member Since: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Kent Posts: 508 
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http://www.nakatanenga.de/ Here - The mounting rings for headlamps - turned aluminum, pair . Paul. 1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop 1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS' |
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16th Sep 2012 1:40pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935 
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How about X-Light fog lights slung below bumper on an aluminium plate- Does the job well in fog - 55w / side.
See here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5418.html LANDYWATCH
Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php |
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16th Sep 2012 2:43pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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As Rob has put it, it isn't for fog. Yes you could fit driving lights in your bumper and they will do an OK job of it- but nothing compared to lights on an A-bar or roof mount.
That is a frivolous comment. First off- front fog lights are an optional extra on 90% of base vehicles and don't come as standard.... 90% of vehicles also come with air bags......... So does that mean you should have a crash just to use that feature? I have a Bull-bar on the front of mine and a full roll cage..... I have no plans whatsoever of hitting a large animal or rolling over. They are all features for use when the time is right....e.g. If I roll over the cage will be there, if I hit something the bull bar will provide additional protection, if someone has an accident the air bag should deploy and improve survival in the same way that fog lights should only be used in sever weather.... Which the UK highway code states in visibility less than 100m. Yes they look really cool.... but if you can warrant them (if you live in an area that has serious fog issues) then at least fit them properly..... and unfortunately on a Defender it will be under the bumper which won't help clearances. If you fit them higher they are less affective.... a bit like buying spot lights and mounting them under the bumper..... yes it will light the road up better but not as well as fitting them above the bumper. If you are fitting them for looks just admit it is for show and a little for function. As for orange fog lights helping in the snow,...... Who told you that crock of sh!t? Don't you think all the people in snow areas would fit them?....... I am just putting the straight up honest facts of the matter. Someone has asked about 'Fog lights in bumper'...... I am pointing out that if someone wants lights for fog.... don't fit them as high as that..... if they want more light for driving, get spots, if they want something that looks fancy but isn't fogs or spots then this would be the way forward- no point talking about how they are fog lights when they are not fully effective. Glyn |
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16th Sep 2012 6:34pm |
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| boode Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: Devon Posts: 436
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Glyn why are you so determined that your opinion is the correct one as you admit that you have only ever driven in fog twice -hardly makes you an expert.
You also are quite prepared to fit a roll cage and hope to never use it, but condem others who wish to fit and use fog lights. Fitting them in a bumper may not be the optimal position but it will protect them so when they are needed they will still work. "I am just putting the straight up honest facts of the matter " in your opinion. Regarding Amber lights in snow - the North Americans do use them a lot - just watch Ice Road Truckers and a lot of the Norwegian cars I saw with Aux lighting used Yellow Filters, the rest used blue filters. Also one of the group last year used Yellow filters on his Lightforce spots as he found them better than the blue ones he had used previously. |
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16th Sep 2012 7:43pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935
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As Glynparry says, fog lights in order to be effective should be fitted lowdown and that is why I have fitted mine below the bumper on an aluminium plate directly below the headlights. True they are more susceptible to damage but the approach angle is unchanged . If you measure the angle from bumper to tyre base the fog lamps are within the zone. As I am frequently on-call in my job and called out frequently at night and where I live often has fog/mist and I travel on country roads they are extremely usefull and I wouldn't be without them. Auxiliary driving lights fitted above the bumpers are no better than the headlights in adverse driving conditions. I do wonder about the fitting of large auxiliary lights on A bars and roof light bars on vehicles used for the school run, of which there are a fair few around here, particularly Discos. So, I agree with Glynparry, if you need fog lights then fit proper fog lights. LANDYWATCH
Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php |
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16th Sep 2012 8:54pm |
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| pope10001 Member Since: 15 Oct 2011 Location: Dulverton Posts: 489 
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Don't take it personally Boode.
Every forum has its ''Experts'' which should never be questioned. One's that will never take the time to listen to others experiences and always claim that they are correct, they think that everyone else should just follow them regardless and do as they are told. Often when they have no evidence or experience to back up their claims they tend to try and belittle you. Some people just have no idea how to be civil or how to put they're point across without being nasty to people. Now obviously, i expect to be belittled, told to shut up etc. Luckily i really don't care... Mark. |
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16th Sep 2012 10:22pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6772 
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@ welsh gas
Why do you wonder about school run cars with spots and a bars? Surely it's the car owners decision what they stick on their OWN car weather they use them or not and not everyone uses discos and defenders for their off road ability, the space they offer is a factor for some people too |
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16th Sep 2012 10:27pm |
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