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lrMike

Member Since: 26 Feb 2010
Location: Athens
Posts: 177

Long term diesel storage

I was wondering if somebody ever wanted to store diesel fuel in the usual 200lt barrels what would be the "life span" of the fuel itself so that it could be used to run the Puma engine?

Considering the following:

1) The barrels would be filled to the top to avoid condensation as much as possible
2) The barrels would be placed outdoors but under a covered area with temperatures from -10 to +30 deg. C and no direct rain, snow or sunlight.

I hope I get some answers from the experts here

because I might decide to store some for future use.

Cheers,

Mike

16th Dec 2011 3:06pm

Zagato
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Member Since: 08 Jan 2011
Location: Billingshurst West Sussex
Posts: 5026

It depends on what type of diesel you are storing. I'll leave it to the experts to comment but my understanding is that the later type of diesel is not so good for storing because of the higher bio content. Certainly with inboard boat engines and fuel that are left for 4-5 months during the winter plenty of stabilizing additive is needed to prevent diesel bug. Marine diesel is different again though to forecourt stuff!

Farmers do it so there must be a way depending on the type of diesel!

16th Dec 2011 3:17pm

lrMike

Member Since: 26 Feb 2010
Location: Athens
Posts: 177

The type of diesel is automotive (The normal one sold in every fuel station).

Mike

16th Dec 2011 3:22pm

Romadog

Member Since: 07 Jul 2011
Location: Powys
Posts: 1750

You'd need a bud to catch fuel if it leaked - or by a double skinned tank instead of the barrels www.highspeed.co.uk/bunded-fuel-tanks

16th Dec 2011 6:28pm

walfy

Member Since: 29 Aug 2007
Location: Frome
Posts: 2698

Why the need to store so much fuel?? When I get excess fuel it goes into mil jerrycans. Not the cheap nasty thin civvy copies. Does me fine. Never seen 1 leak in all the 23 yrs I was serving

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16th Dec 2011 8:49pm

TACK

Member Since: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Essex
Posts: 1045

walfy wrote:
Why the need to store so much fuel?? When I get excess fuel it goes into mil jerrycans. Not the cheap nasty thin civvy copies. Does me fine. Never seen 1 leak in all the 23 yrs I was serving

Company fuel card

17th Dec 2011 9:32am

BigRuss

Member Since: 15 May 2010
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 2785

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

Diesel storage shouldn't be a problem but as with any mixture of chemicals it will start to separate as it settles in the tank.
The only other issue you will have is the fuel will expand and contract with the heat and you can get condensate gathering at the top of the barrel, but you also need to leave an air gap for the fluid to expand and contract with the heat.

If you are worried you should keep the fuel agitated every so often.

What every you do do not try and store the Shell fuel saver diesel. Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black

17th Dec 2011 11:35am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

BigRuss wrote:
What every you do do not try and store the Shell fuel saver diesel.

... why is that Russ ?

17th Dec 2011 11:42am

lrMike

Member Since: 26 Feb 2010
Location: Athens
Posts: 177

Quote:
Company fuel card

That was good Tack

I wish I had one...

Actually I was thinking of Shell fuel saver since this is what I ususally put in my def. Very interested to know why not that...

17th Dec 2011 12:26pm

BigRuss

Member Since: 15 May 2010
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 2785

bpman wrote:
BigRuss wrote:
What every you do do not try and store the Shell fuel saver diesel.

... why is that Russ ?

Well their fuel doesn't work every well in the winter
People have had to drain tanks and replace fuel filters due to the additives being put in
Buying that doesnt line my pockets nor yours

Need I say more? Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black

17th Dec 2011 12:30pm

BigRuss

Member Since: 15 May 2010
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 2785

lrMike wrote:
Quote:
Company fuel card

That was good Tack I wish I had one...

Actually I was thinking of Shell fuel saver since this is what I ususally put in my def. Very interested to know why not that...

Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black

17th Dec 2011 12:30pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Romadog wrote:
You'd need a bud to catch fuel if it leaked - or by a double skinned tank instead of the barrels www.highspeed.co.uk/bunded-fuel-tanks

Not necessarily, in Greece their Health & Safety rules may differ pertaining bunds.....

Elf

& Safety...

During the fuel crisis I too stored fuel in 2 fifty gallon drums I always worried about insurance implications if it did go up. Don't think I'd do it again, too many sleepless nights.

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17th Dec 2011 1:15pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

BigRuss wrote:
bpman wrote:
BigRuss wrote:
What every you do do not try and store the Shell fuel saver diesel.

... why is that Russ ?

Well their fuel doesn't work every well in the winter
People have had to drain tanks and replace fuel filters due to the additives being put in
Buying that doesnt line my pockets nor yours

Need I say more?

I wasn't going to say that but

17th Dec 2011 1:17pm

lrMike

Member Since: 26 Feb 2010
Location: Athens
Posts: 177

Thank you for your help folks,

To sum it up I keep in mind the following:

1. The barrels must be filled to the top in order to avoid any condensation but not totaly full in order to have place for air expansion.
2. Great care must be taken not to hit the barrel and cause any leakage because the rules here are the same as in the UK.
3. Better to avoid Shell fuel saver due to the additives so I will go for BP or some local brand.
4. Must agitate the fuel from time to time.

Is that all?

Mike.

17th Dec 2011 3:41pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4806

Why not get a proper storage tank (1100 litres) with a filler hose and nozzle? I have had one for years without any bother. Also the diesel comes in a bit cheaper when bought in bulk, especially before price increases. It is also very convenient as you can top up any time. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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18th Dec 2011 1:53am

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