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Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2423 ![]() ![]() |
BobGFish - The how to guide for the 2.2 inlet elbow replacement .https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic81674.html?highlight=elbow
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BobGFish Member Since: 09 Jan 2025 Location: Zug Posts: 34 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks so much for that link. Helpful. I just can't undo the bolts on the metal air intake hose...Maybe time for new spanners
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hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2347 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Andyslandytd5 Member Since: 06 Nov 2021 Location: Southampton Posts: 60 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have 2015 2.2 UXS on 55k, Ive had it just over a year and love it. Ive never found it lacking in power but I do get the kangaroo effect when cold if I dont add the Millers fuel additive.
The garage that maintains it tell me they think its remapped already as the owner has a 2016 2.2 UXS and he said mine drives similar to his and he has a stage 1 remap already. MPG wise I get on average around 25. Best I have had is 28 worst it 22. For the record I dont drive it hard and usually sit at 65- 70mph when on the motorway. Based on the above I am wondering if the remap on it is not a good one and so am considering getting someone like BAS to put their stage 1 map on it. I just wondered what others would think based on the above? 2015 Puma 2.2 110 XS Utility Station Wagon - 2024 - Present 2004 TD5 90 XS Station Wagon - 2019-2024 2003 TD5 90 G4 LE - 2009-2010 1990 Ninety 6.2 V8 Station Wagon - 2006-2009 |
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Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2423 ![]() ![]() |
Before doing a map change the air intake from the wing to the air-box for a large bore pipe. The standard air intake pipework is highly restrictive and convoluted. Also look at the airbox mod to improve airflow more.
Once done you may find your vehicle is performing the way you want without a map. |
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BobGFish Member Since: 09 Jan 2025 Location: Zug Posts: 34 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
IanH
What would you recommend? Is there something on the market that works well? |
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Beco90 Member Since: 10 Jul 2024 Location: South Wales Posts: 35 ![]() ![]() |
Hi Bob,
Ian’s reccomendation is also something I’m looking at. I believe the only options on the market atm is the Nakatanenga optimised air intake, or their raised air intake. Or one from Allisport but that’s quite expensive comparatively. Nugget Stuff used to offer one but I believe he has now retired. If you want to keep the factory air filter, best to stick with the Nakatanenga option I think? Quite a few positive reviews/accounts on here. https://www.4x4overlander.com/product/naka...ender-td4/ https://www.lrparts.net/as293-cylinder-air...sport.html |
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BobGFish Member Since: 09 Jan 2025 Location: Zug Posts: 34 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yeah. I've seen the Nakatanenga one. I have a LHD. So my air intake is lower right side and then the fans heater box etc is the one on top of wing on the right. Was thinking about adding a raised air intake later. I prefer the aesthetics of it it coming from the lower right rather than on top of the wing. Wonder if the Naka can come from original air intake instead? By the way Pete from BAS did not recommend an raised intake as it does restrict flow to much.
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HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila Posts: 783 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Since Nuggetstuff is sadly no longer operating, I bit the bullet and went with the AlliSport waterproof air intake kit. Paired it with the Naka SN4 RAI kit that feeds through the top of the wing. It came, for LHD units, a bit that replaces the ducting with an intake where the original intake was and a hose and assembly that bolts into the blower intake. It gets rid of the gap problem, I think. Still have to do a proper shake down which is scheduled on Wednesday, weather permitting. We're experiencing strong typhoon at the moment here. No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17867 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Nakatenga RAI is substantially larger bore than any other commercially available alternatives (at least that I am aware of) and appears not to restrict airflow at all. I don't think Pete Bell tested a Nakatanenga snorkel, only the more common (and highly restrictive) offerings. The difference I found when I fitted my Nakatanega RAI was immediate and significant.
Nakatanenga makes version of these for both wing-side mounting (link) and wing-top (link) mounting and either is available in forms for mounting to a roll-cage or mounting to the windscreen pillar. Nakatanenga's website is not great so make sure if you do order from it that you are ordering the one you want. I also think that for a LHD vehicle you may have to use the wing-side intake since the heater box is on the same side of the vehicle as the air intake (on RHD vehicles they are opposite), alternatively it might be possible to relocate the heater intake to the lower, wing-side, opening. There really is no point in fitting either if you don't also replace the standard air filter box with a less-restrictive one, and with the demise of the Nuggetstuff offering your only choices really are to modify the stock unit (not ideal, it is still not great) or to go with the Allisport product. A Nakatanenga RAI with an Allisport air filter will improve the performance of your engine noticeably. As noted in earlier posts above, there is no point remapping your vehicle if you do not do something about the disaster that is the standard duct from the wing to the airbox. It is such a poor design you would struggle to come up with something worse. The airbox is not much better in standard form. |
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andy63 Member Since: 30 Jun 2023 Location: north east Posts: 787 ![]() ![]() |
Well I'm at odds with BW and some of his comments..
Not quite the same bits , but my findings after fitting an alisport air box to 2.2tdci was that the stock air box even with the water separator impeller left in place was more efficient , as supported by mass air flow data and scope data.. It was measurable, as was the changing of the standard ducting from wing to air box with large bore reinforced air hose ..again measurable but not as significant as the swapping of air boxes All my figures were obtained with a safari raised intake fitted so can't comment on what difference that makes, but it can certainly cope with the demands of a mapped engine and standard turbo.. Fitting a centrifugal pre cleaner to the top of the raised intake made no measurable difference to the maf figures which surprised me.... All that borne out by scan tool data on mass air flow and engine volumetric efficiency figures..and scope data on the maf sensor... I phoned ali sport just out of curiosity, and even though I'd seen claims of their box improving engine power they said its main benefit was primarily a secure sealed intake system rather than power benefits... |
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