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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8265   
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Je use itg filters. Probably is mapped by them. Unusual bit not unheard of to have e an uprated intercooler on a std map. Cheers
James 110 2010 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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22nd Apr 2025 9:17pm |
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| jbcollier Member Since: 29 Apr 2024 Location: Edmonton AB Posts: 229  
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Given that performance, assume mapped and get a pyrometer fitted before you crack the head.
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23rd Apr 2025 1:39am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5922 
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As standard it won’t have writing on the engine components. Someone has been in there.
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23rd Apr 2025 7:54am |
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| revd Member Since: 20 Apr 2024 Location: England Posts: 250 
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Write to JE (or ITG, Coventry, same parent) company and ask them - only downside with a positive result-you will then have to inform your insurance
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23rd Apr 2025 11:39am |
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| John P Member Since: 26 Dec 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 349 
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I’ve tried to track them down, and they appear to have closed down. 🙁
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23rd Apr 2025 12:09pm |
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| andy63 Member Since: 30 Jun 2023 Location: north east Posts: 735
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I'm thinking that it might be possible to get an idea by looking at scan tool live data if the map has involved deleting functions like egr.. that will be obvious by looking at the demanded egr.. the figure won't change..
If the map hasn't involved deleting, I'm again thinking that scope data may show up some features in the injection timing and rail pressure , but only by comparing with standard mapping traces.. |
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23rd Apr 2025 12:41pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2235 
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surely simplest is to get a power run at a local Dyno and you'll see if it makes reasonably more power instantly
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23rd Apr 2025 12:43pm |
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| Minch90 Member Since: 15 Sep 2017 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 239
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My Ultra-gauge shows increased Hp and torque when the BAS map is active vs the base map. Never know how accurate the figures are but they make me happy 😂 2.4TDCI 90 - everyday brilliance
S3 V8 Lightweight - in the garage being ignored #newchassistime S3 lightweight - 2nd car 24V fire risk with a full tilt and the windscreen down S1 80" - first car fun - 75mph in neutral downhill once #wobblesallround |
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23rd Apr 2025 12:55pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2342
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Member Revd makes a very good point. In the event of an accident etc your insurance would very likely be invalid if the vehicle has had a map but the insurance company has not been informed of such.
A minor accident may not cause an investigation, but a fatality, personal injury for expensive accident, even if not your fault, could. Insurance companies will look for any reason not to pay out so won’t care that you say you did not know. In fact (unfortunately) this topic is evidence that you suspect you do have a map and could be used by your insurance company against you. I don’t intend this to cause you stress, so please don’t shoot the messenger, however I think it does need pointing out so you are aware of the risks . A good tuner, such as Bell Auto Services , will be capable of reading your ECU, advising if the existing Map is not standard and potentially the author of the Map. I would advocate you contact BAS or other similar respected tuner to see if they will perform this function for you. Ps. Given you have an uprated intercooler and air Filter I would also advocate that you inform your insurance company of such as they are also classed as modifications. I would also look for other potential mods such as brakes etc that the insurance company needs to be made aware of. |
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23rd Apr 2025 12:56pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2469  
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I am on the same boat with a friend´s 2.4. He bought it used and he has no clue who did the job. I`va never driven a Defender like his. Absolutely awesome remap. I thought the remap was done by IRB but of course I never got a reply.
So the only way to check it is by plug in the ECU into a Kess machine or similar. PS. However, the EGR was not disabled. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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23rd Apr 2025 1:47pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 3122
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As above
Call your insurance and tell them it's got a remap on it. You should be okay to report to them that it's an "engine chip 10-25%" which won't affect your premium at all with some companies. |
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23rd Apr 2025 1:53pm |
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| revd Member Since: 20 Apr 2024 Location: England Posts: 250
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https://www.itgairfilters.com
Same/similar company owners as JE Ask if anyone remembers chipping your Puma |
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23rd Apr 2025 2:08pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 588  
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Somebody told me, that cheap tuners just rise the injection pressure. You can simply read that out. Ypu've already found some mods that make it most probable. What about thé EGR and CAT ? |
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24th Apr 2025 12:53pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3552  
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On paper, the 2.4 and the 2.2 have same performance, but the poor little 2.2 need to squeeze harder to push its exhausts out.
Incidentally I type this from my bathroom, so I know what a 2.2 might feel. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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24th Apr 2025 1:32pm |
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