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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4615  
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Just did a search. https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ineos/gre...ney=Search Others for sale https://www.carzone.ie/search?make=INEOS 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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15th Mar 2024 9:01pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4615
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Even if you go on the "build your vehicle" section on the website, once you complete it, it tells you to contact the distributor for a price. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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15th Mar 2024 11:52pm |
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| steveww Member Since: 05 Jan 2022 Location: Uppingham Posts: 558  
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Game Over
Toyota Land Cruiser starting at £50k, £65k for the fully loaded first edition. |
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2nd Apr 2024 11:40am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 965  
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I actually dislike new cars (well of course I don't dislike them, but the premium of new is not worth anything to me). So I am waiting for the Grenadier to become affordable, rather than get something fleeting like the latest incarnation of Toyota. Its not really a Land Cruiser, you cannot buy those in Europe.
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2nd Apr 2024 2:58pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2539
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l wouldn't call the new Land Cruiser "fleeting" it's got a heritage going back decades.
That looks a lovely vehicle and l actually think it may look better then the Defender. Let's see if the £50,000 start price materialises. The new Defender was supposed to start at £44,000 and the Grenadier lead-in price was £50,000. lf the Land Cruiser is £50,000 it's likely going to take sales from Land Rover and lneos. |
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2nd Apr 2024 3:04pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 668
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Why is it game over??? Should Caterham pack up shop if Porsche introduce a new model? FFS so much  posted on the internet. |
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2nd Apr 2024 4:12pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 668
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I think what TexasRover is getting at, is the Land Cruiser line is hugely complex and has diverged several times. This new model is not the "core" Land Cruiser model, despite being badged as such for the UK/EU market. This is their more soft roader/road biased Land Cruiser, sometimes called a Prado in other markets. The current Land Cruiser is the J300: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser And in some markets you can still get the J70 Series: Click image to enlarge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_(J70) The new model above in the videos is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado A J250 5th Gen Prado. |
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2nd Apr 2024 4:24pm |
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| Screbble Member Since: 26 Apr 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2066 
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Land Cruiser is a nice vehicle. I also like the Grenadier. I also like the Defender. I also like the G Wagon.
Thankfully I can’t afford any of them. Competition is healthy - I think  |
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2nd Apr 2024 4:25pm |
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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 731  
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Hopefully an out of warrahty Ineos has an attractive price in a few years.. that’s where my money would go. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
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2nd Apr 2024 5:16pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4615
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I think Toyota have been very clever. They have a Land Cruiser for every market. If you showed the new Land Cruiser to some one in a country where the J70 model is on sale they would laugh at the new model and regard it as a competent SUV thing.
If you show the J70 model to some one in a country where the new model is being pushed they would regard the J70 as a tractor. The new model is aimed at a different buying public and will probably compete with the New Defender. The Grenadier is an outlier here. People in the modern SUV market will not buy it as it will seem to them as an old fashioned thing lacking in the creature comforts they desire. I'd rather have the old Defender over the new Defender and I'd rather have the J70 over the new Land Cruiser. I am aware that the J70 probably is unsaleable in Europe as it would not meet various regulations as with the old Defender. Toyota will play on the heritage and ability of past models just as JLR have done with the New Defender. In certain people's eyes that does not make the New Land Cruiser a real Land Cruiser just like the New Defender is not a real Defender. Markets have changed....I haven't  1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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2nd Apr 2024 5:21pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 965
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The Land Cruiser legacy is simply being milked, just like LR is doing with the Defender. They are shifting the target audience to maximize sales. I am sure it's a fine vehicle, like pretty much every vehicle on the market today. With 50k there are plenty options. The Grenadier though IS different; it is appealing to (a shrinking) hard core adventure/offroad/utilitarian market. I really hope they survive because on paper it's not an attractive proposition, everything is against them, tax, emissions, regulations, etc. But I would want one because it's different, just like my Defender is different. You would buy a Toyota Prada because it's a sensible, safe and a little boring and because your wife would approve. Everyone knows that the guy driving a Grenadier didn't ask his wife if she agrees. He just bought it because he wanted one. The Toyota will come and go, the Grenadier will probably be just a one off affair going into the history books. |
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2nd Apr 2024 6:49pm |
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| Chris86 Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: South Yorks Posts: 782 
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Aside from G-Class (which is epic........)
The new LC is the first 4x4 I have been really excited about for a while- I saw the specs for it, then the photoshoots last year and it's just smashed the net on the wide open goal Defender Left, and also the Grenadier left to an extent. New Defender is too tech heavy for me, my initial impression having sat in a few Grenadiers and looked over them extensively (although I have yet to drive one) is that it's too many compromises for such a high price. New LC is built by a company with a reputation for screwing vehicles together well, proper dealer support both Europe and worldwide if needed- can't wait to see the entry level specs & commercial variant if they do one. I think it's got massive potential, and like others have mentioned both LR and Ineos ought to be worried. I'll be trying to get my hands on one for a drive, who knows......if it ticked all the right boxes in a year or two one might even replace the 110 and the pickup! Chris |
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2nd Apr 2024 8:34pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4615
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I saw it by a journalist that a commercial variant will be offered over here and they expect that to be it's biggest seller. €54,745 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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2nd Apr 2024 10:29pm |
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| soccerlaw Member Since: 01 Apr 2024 Location: los angeles Posts: 4  
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Really wanted to like the Grenadier but just feels like it’s slightly off… proper engine and a bit more rugged and they could have had a real winner. Feels like a defender knock off versus knocking off the defender.
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2nd Apr 2024 11:06pm |
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