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Natlas



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Hi Kelly - and Bob Neville.
Thanks for your responses Kelly which are in line with those from my local dealer.
Ref the revs holding at a high level during gearchanges.....

I have figured out that the engine mgmt gives you these extra revs when you take your foot off the throttle after accelerating, it doesn't seem to be triggered by the clutch switch. It also doesn't happen when you are changing down through the gears to slow down.
One observation from today was that when I lifted off the throttle after accelerating because I wanted to slow down, the Defender actually continued to drive forward a little, rather than slow down like I wanted, albeit not for long, apparently due to this undocumented feature, which made me think it was a bit of a safety liability in a situation where braking distance is important.

I'll continue to monitor this, and if it keeps on going again when I want it to slow down I'll let you know.
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Kelly@LandRover wrote:

The engine rev's to 2000 rpm when changing gear as this smooths out the gear change and improves driveability.


Shocked A bit shocked by this response of LR rep Ms. Kelly. This cleary sounds like a very official textbook response, along the line of "they all do that sir", but it would be much more valuable if LR would do a reality check with respect to such statements as quoted above.

Luckily I don't have a 2.2, but still a 2.4 which does not have this issue. The Puma 2.4 is a quite torquee engine, I presume the 2.2 is likewise.... I NEVER change up gears at that high RPM (2000), as when making good use of the engine torque I change usually when the engine revs at anywhere between 1500 and 1700 RPM, which means the next gear engages as of 1200 RPM. As of 1200 RPM the Puma runs well on torque if you do not trash it that is, i.e. nice and smooth. These diesel engines are not meant to be trashed in the first place.
So how smart is it that LR holds up the revs between upward gear changes to 2000 RPM or in some cases even more? Rolling Eyes It means that one is supposed to change gears when reaching abt 2500 RPM or even a bit more, and then indeed the next gear would start at such 2000 RPM. But Defenders are no Golf GTI's. Rolling Eyes

Kelly, suggest you go back to the drawing board with your superiors and get real, and give some worthwhile feedback which does not read as if it was first checked and signed off by your in house LR HQ legal counsel.
I still have to hear or read the first person on here who appreciates this 2000 RPM artificial gear feature. It makes me suspicious about what LR are trying to cover up by installing something useless like this.
I also think that most of us can perfectly dose the RPMs themselves when changing gears Thumbs Up , and few of us will change gears from 2500 RPM to the next gear at 2000 RPM. Rolling Eyes
Don't take my comments as too aggressive, but I hate turning in circles or not getting to the point. Wink
Looking forward to some real value out of this LR interest in our forum. Thumbs Up
Best, Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Caterham



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John,

this tendancy to want to keep going forward.....wasn't this a symptom of some early 2.4's and was related to a clutch issue? could it be something similar. the 2000 rpm on the other hand does sound more like a mapping issue to me?

good luck.
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bob neville



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Hi John

I agree with the 2000 rpm being triggered by the throttle Thumbs Up

Two things worry me about this feature.

I also have the issue with the engine running on when releasing the throttle. Can be a bit disconcerting but at least if you hit the person in front because of it you can tell the insurance company to contact LR as it is a feature of the vehicle Laughing

The other thing is this random holding at 2500 rpm plus when changing gear, I have narrowed it down to happening mainly between fourth and fifth. At the weekend I changed from fourth to fifth at 2000 rpm and the ecu decided to increase the revs to 2500 Shocked

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Hi Kelly,
Why don't Land Rover galvanize the chassis and front bulkhead? I would think this would be a small additional cost during manufacture that would considerably improve the durability of the vehicals.
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jimhcatlover wrote:
that would considerably improve the durability of the vehicals


You've answered your own question there - how would they sell new ones?
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J!m



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Radio Code
Hi Kelly, can you help me to solve a radio code problem?
It is a XQE500540 original radio in a defender VIN:SALLDVAS8AA794415.
Regards,

Jim
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J!m, you may not have noticed that it's been ten years since this thread last saw any activity, I'm afraid that there is zero chance of any response from LR.

No-one from LR pays any attention to this forum any more and as far as anyone can tell they have no interest at all in classic Defenders (and very little interest in any concept of customer care).
Post #1016073 22nd Nov 2023 8:25pm
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J!m



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Hey guys , I was aware that the success rate would be very low, but wanted to give it a try.
There was a post by 'hbi' dd 23 Mar 2023 in which he stated he received a radio code from LR UK. Any idea how he would have obtained it ? Currently I do not have enough posts to ask him myself via PM
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