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redline



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Has anyone tried the Ashcroft ATB in the LT230 transfer case, to replace the OEM centre differential?

To quote the Ashcroft website: "The two big advantages are increased traction when unlocked and eliminating the weakness of the stock unlocked centre diff"

I'm tempted to do this before the Front / Rear diffs...

Opinions?
Post #482447 15th Dec 2015 3:27pm
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mikeh501



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ive got one, but yet to turn a wheel. it looks a quality bit of kit is about all i can say Mr. Green

when its built, then ill have 3 ATB's in my landie Thumbs Up
Post #482448 15th Dec 2015 3:29pm
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taazzukcb



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I've had one in since April/May.

Nice and solid unit and much stronger IMO than OEM, so it may cost, but it should last. My MOT man stuck it on the brake rollers though. I think I've gotten away with it, but it shouldn't go on these!
Post #482450 15th Dec 2015 3:36pm
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redline



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@Mikeh: That will be one hell of a setup when done!

@Taazz: Did it have any discernible effect on the handling when doing its limited slip thing (ie unlocked)?

I'm trying to decide whether to do the rear or centre first. Doing both at the same time would likely result in instant divorce....
Post #482453 15th Dec 2015 3:41pm
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taazzukcb



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No I'll effects at all, but no noticeable gain either day to day, I just know it's a lot stronger.

It has kicked in a few times in the slippy, but I still engage diff lock as and when required anyway. I dont get reliant on it then. But also I'm sure it's probably kicked in more than I realise to!

I personally see them as something to do WHEN yours is gone or is far to slack etc. Or if you plan on putting serious power through with a conversion etc.
Post #482465 15th Dec 2015 4:31pm
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redline



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@taazzukcb - Did your centre ATB "survive" the MOT brake rollers?

The MOT guys here are an overzealous bunch, and I need to check with them if there is an accepted alternative to the brake rollers... Wouldn't want them upgrade the centre diff to something more robust, only to have it wrecked on the test rig!!
Post #494113 19th Jan 2016 6:14pm
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mikeh501



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In the UK the mot tester will use a tapley meter if you request it. This is a decelerometer which is used in a road test to check the brakes. It's advisable to request it if you have atb diffs or xfer case.
Post #494132 19th Jan 2016 8:02pm
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blackwolf



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My MOT tester won't test any full-time 4wd vehicle on rollers, and I certainly wouldn't let anyone test any of my vehicles on the rollers. If they won't agree to the (modern equivalent of a) Tapley meter, take it somewhere else.
Post #494139 19th Jan 2016 8:22pm
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LR90XS2011



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same with mine takes it for a quick spin DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy
Post #494179 19th Jan 2016 9:43pm
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jst



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i still have one of these ATBs built up by dave A for sale. Cheers

James
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130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop
Post #494212 19th Jan 2016 10:44pm
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taazzukcb



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I'm pretty sure it did, not had any nasty noises since. Wasn't happy though!

I will be requesting the decelerometer next time. He used it for the handbrake test, but put it on the rollers for brakes. I wasn't happy, but all he said was that his rollers had a 4x4 setting. Didn't seem to grasp the torsion diff.

It was all in an emergency really. My usual place I've gone to a few years suddenly decided mine was commercial grade and wouldn't test it. This new place did all the leg work with DVLA to double check it all and they didn't get confirmation until the very last day of the test, so was appreciative of that, just wish they'd of not used rollers!
Post #494322 20th Jan 2016 9:57am
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blackwolf



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As far as I know with a transmission brake they should test the handbrake when stationary, and not when moving or on rollers.
Post #494336 20th Jan 2016 10:25am
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blackwolf



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taazzukcb wrote:
...My usual place I've gone to a few years suddenly decided mine was commercial grade and wouldn't test it. ...


This seems to be a widespread issue at the moment. DVSA has confirmed to me that a standard Defender (ie one which legally falls into the Dual Purpose Vehicle definition under the C&U Regs, which all except overwieght things like cherry-pickers should do) should be tested as Class IV vehicles. Howoever due to (a) misleading information distributed by DVSA to MOT Testers in the last few years, and (b) a flaw in the registration system which means that vehicle weights are not adequately recorded on the DVSA/DVLA databases, many testers are unaware of this and insist on a Class 7 MOT.

I have beencorresponding with DVSA on this subject for about two years, but it takes them 6 months to reply to a letter!
Post #494337 20th Jan 2016 10:31am
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taazzukcb



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blackwolf wrote:
As far as I know with a transmission brake they should test the handbrake when stationary, and not when moving or on rollers.


Hmm ... interesting!

I was back at the test station at that point and found it a bit odd. Absolutely launched the truck then did a 4 wheel drift as he whacked the handbrake on.

Sounds like it was done wrong all over then. Very nice chap and wanted to help no end, but worried now!
Post #494341 20th Jan 2016 10:51am
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taazzukcb



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Mines also a DC, and rated at 3050 which is why my usual place insisted on Class 7.

Like you say there's Dual-Purpose which a lot believe is now scrapped I think.

All a bit more confusing with the system changing from the Siemens set-up and as per usual, not working 100%!
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