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Had your clutch exchanged?
2007, None
10%
 10%  [25]
2007, 1x
11%
 11%  [28]
2007, 2x
4%
 4%  [12]
2007, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2007, 4x
0%
 0%  [0]
2007, 5x
0%
 0%  [1]
2008, None
10%
 10%  [25]
2008, 1x
5%
 5%  [13]
2008, 2x
0%
 0%  [2]
2008, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2008, 4x
0%
 0%  [1]
2008, 5x
0%
 0%  [0]
2009, None
6%
 6%  [16]
2009, 1x
4%
 4%  [12]
2009, 2x
0%
 0%  [2]
2009, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2009, 4x
0%
 0%  [0]
2009, 5x
0%
 0%  [0]
2010, None
9%
 9%  [23]
2010, 1x
6%
 6%  [17]
2010, 2x
0%
 0%  [2]
2010, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2010, 4x
0%
 0%  [0]
2010, 5x
0%
 0%  [0]
2011, None
9%
 9%  [23]
2011, 1x
5%
 5%  [14]
2011, 2x
0%
 0%  [0]
2011, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2011, 4x
0%
 0%  [0]
2011, 5x
0%
 0%  [0]
2012, None
4%
 4%  [10]
2012, 1x
3%
 3%  [8]
2012, 2x
0%
 0%  [2]
2012, 3x
0%
 0%  [1]
2012, 4x
0%
 0%  [0]
2012, 5x
0%
 0%  [2]
Total Votes: 244

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Zagato
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MK wrote:
Find the differences. Twisted Evil

Disregard colours.



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Springs have 9 coils not 8 Confused
Post #136314 2nd Apr 2012 5:28pm
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FG



Member Since: 01 Apr 2011
Location: Somewhere on the Swedish East Coast
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Sweden 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
New clutch at 4 400 kms.

Dunno about the new one though, they seem to be made out of cheese...

/FG
Post #136359 2nd Apr 2012 8:23pm
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Zagato
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Poll figures are showing the problems lie with the 07 & 08 modles with the old clutch design!
Post #136450 3rd Apr 2012 8:52am
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MK



Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Still not representative as we all know still some 2009-10-11 models show failure.

FYI the builder of our cheese clutches is some german-italian-uk mix

http://www.raicam.com/marchi.php Thumbs Up Puma 110" SW

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Post #137299 5th Apr 2012 9:58pm
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Update: I think I found something about the friction plates. Apparenltly there are (at least) 3 versions. Early one with gray teflon bearing and two later types with white teflon. All differ on the srping coil types, being the latest with "stronger" coils (less loops). I bet LR was using #2 randomly up to 2009-2010, and hopefully not any longer. Now, stronger plates means louder clonks..... Whistle Puma 110" SW

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Post #138617 12th Apr 2012 2:53am
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MK



Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Latest info from the manufacturer.

"Please see the information that we can supply in relation to your questions.

There has been 3 designs of driven plate, all with different modifications to specific parts of the assembly, not just relating to the friction plate. The latest design is that of 2011, which your item will be.

We cannot answer your question regarding the functional use of the springs, or explain how they perform and at what stage of the clutch operation, as this falls within the controls we have in place regarding security of technical data" Puma 110" SW

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Post #138692 12th Apr 2012 12:16pm
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tdocpf



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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
My '61 Sept 2011 Land Rover 110 XS failed at 11922 miles, that was three weeks on Monday. No firm date has been given for the return as they have not got the parts, despite escalation through Land Rover UK.
Took Enterprise and Land Rover two days to supply a six seater required for our holiday and two weeks and 4 days to supply a Land Rover model that was adequate for our four kids and a dog. Our holiday was written off as a result and they knew this.
The clutch peddle was low on delivery which means all the way from the end of the line to the dealer and through PDI and all the way through to the point of delivery, nobody, not in Solihull and not at the dealers in Guildford, bothered to resolve the problem which has been lurking inside my clutch housing since the birth of the vehicle.
Their quality control at point of manufacture has not improved in the 10 years since I worked there implementing the then new Discovery line.
Their dealer network is as bad as any other I have experienced.
Their customer service is not all that clever.
Their product has too many known issues.
The ONLY reason to buy this vehicle is the lack of depreciation.
Not happy Big Cry
Post #140550 20th Apr 2012 4:08pm
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Can you tell us what happened to the friction plate? Puma 110" SW

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Post #140554 20th Apr 2012 4:12pm
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tdocpf



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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
The dealer arn't saying and as its a warranty claim they wouldn't give me the parts as tey have to Land Rover to supportt the claim. Land Rover are keeping this one to them selves.!!
Post #140671 21st Apr 2012 10:46am
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Just asking if you casted your vote? Puma 110" SW

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Post #140695 21st Apr 2012 2:04pm
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
This may be useful to some, feedback from one of the local indies when faced with a clutch issue and the price of a new from the stealers:

Quote:
a Puma came in with a thud sound when starting and switching off.

somewhere along the line the limitations of the clutch was exceeded and the centre of the clutch broke loose but not completely disintegrated.

searched high and low and eventually with the help of the guys at Valeo tracked a suitable replacement clutch plate. it takes the clutch plate from a Ford Ranger TD just for info purposes.
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Post #141837 26th Apr 2012 8:11am
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
followup from the indie:

Quote:
the clutch plate only retails at around R800.
the Ford clutch is more robust as well.
LR is R 4700 for the kit
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Post #141860 26th Apr 2012 11:41am
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Great info! Thumbs Up Puma 110" SW

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Post #141868 26th Apr 2012 12:22pm
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
MK wrote:
Update: I think I found something about the friction plates. Apparenltly there are (at least) 3 versions. Early one with gray teflon bearing and two later types with white teflon. All differ on the srping coil types, being the latest with "stronger" coils (less loops). I bet LR was using #2 randomly up to 2009-2010, and hopefully not any longer. Now, stronger plates means louder clonks..... Whistle


FFS, it's not rocket science! You would think that after 60+ yrs of vehicle design they would know how to design a clutch Evil or Very Mad --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #141871 26th Apr 2012 12:39pm
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
I wonder though if the Ford/Mazda TD has a dual mass flywheel.

Anyway, most fine engines have dual mass flywheels. The LR clutch with central dampers is a cheapo design. Puma 110" SW

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