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JWL



Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green
It does seem that there's a bit of the Black Art of manufacturing sceince going on with these bolts. The shoulder near the head is going to be where all the "play" is taken up. Theoretically it could be said that you could take the bolt out, turn the arm 180 degrees and you would be able to present an unworn end of the inner sleeve to sit on the shoulder of the bolt.
Just suggests to me that the design engineers managed to get one over the bean counters Whistle
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Retroanaconda



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No, the shoulder will just be to centre the bush and locate it correctly. There should be absolutely no movement of the inner sleeve relative to the mounts or the bolts, if there is any then it will wear the end of the sleeve very quickly and you'll not be able to tighten it properly. It will also wear the bolt, but turning it 180 degrees would achieve nothing since the sleeve would be worn as above.
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JWL



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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green
So, forgive me if I'm being extremely dense tonight, you are saying that the inner sleve is held in place by the side mountings and that the bolt is there to apply the force onto the ends of the inner sleeve plus locate the bush roughly in the right place.
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Retroanaconda



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Correct. Bolt locates the bush and applies clamping force, the friction between the inner sleeve and the mount sides is what does the work. The bolt should not have any shear force on it unless it's loose (allowing the inner sleeve to move slightly around it). Sh**ty aftermarket bushes can also cause this, the inner sleeve can be too short which means it won't tighten up properly.

All the movement should be within the rubber. Which is why I dislike polybushes, the inner sleeve rotates within the polyurethane as the joint moves. Combined with a little grit/dirt etc. that gets in there over time and you have wear. Same can happen between the polyurethane and the panhard rod itself (or radius arm etc. as appropriate).
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