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shaggydog



Member Since: 12 Aug 2012
Location: Kent
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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
Defenders will always clunk it is inconvertible.

From the clutch you have:

Spline from engine to gearbox
Spline from gearbox to transfer box
Propshaft splines Front
Propshaft splines rear
Front prop input flange on Diff
Rear prop input flange on Diff
Front Diff left hand output flange
Front Diff right hand output flange
Rear Diff left hand output flange
Rear Diff right hand output flange
Front left wheel drive flange
Front right wheel drive flange
Rear left wheel drive flange
Rear right wheel drive flange.

If every one of those flanges has just 0.2mm of play, which they all will because they are a sliding fit by design, from the back of the engine they will have taken up 2.8mm of slack and that will cause a "clack" noise.
Obviously the more warn your flanges, the more slack you will have.

David, I'm afraid your Front Diff looks toast. I would look at getting an earlier HD version.
If you don't need a Limited slip or Locker diff I wouldn't bother fitting one as without use they will deteriorate and then not work when you need it.

Be weary though as the Spline numbers do jump around a bit between models so Ashcrofts will be able to help.
Post #339656 21st Jun 2014 11:21am
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Cheshire110



Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
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Yeah mines currently in the indie, being taken apart monday and he will get back with some options then (HD/genuine/ashcrofts etc etc)

Also going to check the half shafts etc while they're out incase there's too much play there which seems a common issue, but normally age/mileage related not just failure. Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #339660 21st Jun 2014 11:45am
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Cheshire110



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so cars back and running miles better now, no clunks and no slack Thumbs Up

this was what the old diff looked like!! Shocked



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suspect it has been getting worse and worse for a while and one day just went and i should've realised its too clunky, but i guess its like the frogs in cold water being brought up to the boil - you don't notice gradual changes!! Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
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LR90XS2011



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David
I would say you were lucky to get that just in time, another few miles and that could have caused a serious catastrophic failure. Thumbs Up DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy
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jimbob7



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driver abuse Whistle Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Similar thing happened to my front diff. There are pictures in a thread somewhere on here.

I have (at last) finally got my driveline clunk free, and at the moment it is a delight to drive (there, I've jinxed it now)! All it took was a new clutch, lubricating all moving parts of the gear levers, a new transfer box, Ashcroft ATBs in both axles, and Ashcroft HD halfshafts front and rear, Ashcroft HD CV joints, and Ashcroft HD drive flanges all round. It now drives like it should!
Post #341701 29th Jun 2014 11:02pm
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g-mack



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^^ so a quick easy fix then BW!! Shocked Very Happy My 109 thread

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Post #341704 29th Jun 2014 11:19pm
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blackwolf



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Four years and more cash than I'll admit to with SWMBO in earshot, but worth it! I'll enjoy it till the next bit breaks!
Post #341709 29th Jun 2014 11:46pm
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GUM97



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Ouch Shocked What did he do? Just put a new diff in? An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948"
Post #341933 30th Jun 2014 9:48pm
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Roy5695



Member Since: 15 Feb 2014
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Indus Silver
My early 2012 def90 is going back under warranty due to the same problem, I'll let you know the outcome.
Post #341979 30th Jun 2014 11:49pm
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charlesteton



Member Since: 24 Feb 2013
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2011, 110 2.4, had clunk on gear change. Had rear diff seals redone and replaced drivers side half shaft under extended warranty, now very tight and no clunk.
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martinfiattech



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Can you tell by looking at the diff (without removing it) if it`s a two or four pin type. Or is it a chassis break point type thing.
I`ve got a 2011 my 90 so I assume it`s a four pin type. Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
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landy andy



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2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver
Yours will be a 2 pin as it's a 90. You can tell via the diff fill hole.

Andy
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martinfiattech



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Censored ! another thing to go wrong.

Thanks Thumbs Up Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
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Caterham



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England 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Couple of easy questions please;
Are front and rear diffs the same?
And should there be the same amount of rotational slack in the front and rear props (assuming hand brake is off) ?

Thanks
Post #402838 27th Feb 2015 7:41pm
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