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strang



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
Death wobble
I seem to be suffering with a bit of a death wobble on my Puma - its an 2009 model with around 53k on the clock. Recently replaced shockers all around, but there were no issues following that.

The problem mainly seems to be differing road surfaces, if the road surface is rough, the wobble is more pronounced. Also sometimes on motorways around 60 - 70, the steering wheel seems to vibrate and wobble a little.

New tyres fitted last year and wheels all balanced OK.

Could it be the steering damper? or something much more expensive......... Sad Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....
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Leamreject



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Italy 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Fuji White
Death Wobble in a Defender…. You need to get a motorbike to experience that properly😉 Ride like you stole it!!
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jaygti



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
Start cheap.
Check for worn bushes, check for something loose.
Then work your way up. 👍🏻 2002 td5 90 county hardtop
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Leamreject



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Italy 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Fuji White
Also do a four point wheel swap just as a precaution because if you have a slightly buckled wheel it could change the dimension of the problem Ride like you stole it!!
Post #964910 13th Sep 2022 6:37pm
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Ianh



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Along with bushes check the A frame ball joint atop the rear axle.
Post #964922 13th Sep 2022 7:48pm
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Mossberg



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United Kingdom 1993 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Aintree Green
Leamreject wrote:
Also do a four point wheel swap just as a precaution because if you have a slightly buckled wheel it could change the dimension of the problem


Agree with this - first change front wheels for back. Easy to do and costs nowt!
Post #964941 13th Sep 2022 10:59pm
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Mo Murphy



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United Kingdom 1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Pennine Grey
Panhard rod bushes if it's a violent fast judder or swivel preload.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.
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bear100



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Have you fitted wheel spacers at all? 2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8
2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI
2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone)
2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone)
1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone)
1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone)
1994 discovery 300tdi
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Post #964953 14th Sep 2022 6:21am
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jfh



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South Africa 2007 Defender 110 300 Tdi SW Chawton White
Swivel pin preload.
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spudfan



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If the wheels were balanced some of the balancing weights could have come off. Get the front ones at least checked to see if they need balanced. It's an inexpensive move that could solve your problem. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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strang



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
bear100 wrote:
Have you fitted wheel spacers at all?


Nope Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....
Post #965029 14th Sep 2022 6:27pm
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Procta



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spudfan wrote:
If the wheels were balanced some of the balancing weights could have come off. Get the front ones at least checked to see if they need balanced. It's an inexpensive move that could solve your problem.


i would do this 1st, i suspected i had the same thing, so me and my dad put the car up on the jack and had a go at moving the wheels for any play etc. We couldn't find anything at all. Went down to my local tyre garage and got the front wheels balanced, both needed re balancing, the driver side was well out.
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bear100



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Wales 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
some wheel spacers are tight on some alloys and can catch when putting the wheel back on 2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8
2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI
2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone)
2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone)
1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone)
1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone)
1994 discovery 300tdi
90 hybrid 3.5 v8 (gone)
Range rover bobtail 3.5 v8 (gone)
Post #965078 15th Sep 2022 6:29am
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MR_JAMES



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
My series 109 did that around 50mph it was horrendous, swapped the wheels around from front to back and it went away. 1953 80"
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strang



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
Just an update - I had the wheels checked for balance and they were fine. I had also developed a rattle which sounded like brake pads, but still rattled on rough ground whilst braking. Further examination has revealed that the lower bushes on the rear shocks are shot - so that is causing the rattle, hopefully once replaced it will cure the steering issue too. Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....
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