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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118   
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Front recovery points
I have received and installed front recovery points from GMB-Mount. Drilling the bumper for the front M8 bolts was not so obvious, I had to use titanium drill bits to get through and not effortless 
I have replaced the front bolts and nuts by stainless steel equivalent Looks good, hope I will never have to use them 
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11th Feb 2022 7:11pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Hopefully not teaching you to suck eggs, but are you happy with the specification of those stainless steel bolts for recovery use?
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12th Feb 2022 7:16am |
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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118
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From a technical and performance point of view I really dunno. I do not intend heavy recovery and those look much stronger than the original lash down eyes. Some specs are not that cool: 1) eye diameter is only 20mm, but lots of steel shackles have 21 or 22mm axis 2) eye has sharp angle, so soft shackles might be damaged. But I like the look, a bit more sexy than jate ring, but most probably not as effective. Nakatenanga equivalent provides better value IMHO.
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12th Feb 2022 9:10pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I'd suggest you really should be clear about this before you use for recovery.
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13th Feb 2022 7:29am |
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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118
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Hi Supacat, thank you for your feedback. May I ask you to be explicit and direct about what you know/think about those "recovery points" ? As a rookie I do not know much and I am always grateful to learn from others. Thank you.
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13th Feb 2022 9:31am |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7873 
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I think it's the tensile strength of the s/s fixings that MAY be a concern. If they were supplied with the anchors then I'm sure they're fine but if you sourced separately then I'd just double check the strength.
Better safe than sorry. James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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13th Feb 2022 10:27am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Whilst I don't like the recovery point you have fitted (single shear when double shear are available), my query to you is only with regard to swapping the bolts for stainless steel ones.
You could start by looking at this thread: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18745.html Whilst "heavy recovery" may not be your intention, it's amazing how some "simple" recoveries turn out to be anything but. Built in factors of safety within the equipment you are using then become your friend.
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13th Feb 2022 10:41am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16876 
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Possibly it is worth bearing in mind that the traditional front towing and lashing rings supplied by Land-Rover from the very earliest days through to the early 110 and 90 vehicles (the "D"-shaped jobbies) which are fitted in a similar way are secured by either 3/8" BSF grade S, 3/8" UNF grade S, or 10mm Grade 8.8 bolts according to age.
Four M10 8.8 bolts will be substantially stronger than the fitting above with two SS (presumably A4?) M8s at the front, even if the rear pair are the original M10 8.8 steel, and even more so if the rear pair have also been replaced with stainless. The other reason why I wouldn't use those is that due to small diameter hole a shackle will be fairly small and will most likely bind unless the pull is directly ahead. This means that using a bridle with a single pull in the centre of the bridle will bind up the shackles and tend to twist the attachment points, which can generate significant unexpected loads. The only safe way to pull hard on those would be to use a recovery whiffle tree and that is very unlikely to happen. In most respects the old genuine D-shaped rings are the best, since you can use virtually any type of attachment (including a knot, soft shackle, or winch hook) and can pull safely at virtually any angle. They are startlingly strong as well (in fact I have never heard of one failing, provided the chassis is sound). The downside is that although I believe the later "long plate" version (designed for the early 90 and 100 vehicles) will fit any later non-a/c vehicle, I don't think there is a way to fit them to an a/c-fitted vehicle without modifying the grille or fabricating a mount. Although the GMB-Mount points look smart and would certainly be OK for an emergency road tow on a rope, I'm sorry to say that if you asked me to recover you from a stuck situation and I saw those, I would decline - unless I could put two slings or J-hooks round the front axle where the radius arms attach. Strictly a breakdown recovery point rather than a "stuck vehicle" recovery point, in my book. |
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13th Feb 2022 11:09am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3208  
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Interestingly, the carriage bolts are supplied with the 'kit'.
https://shop.gmb-mount.de/DEFENDER/System-...ssic?c=188 Those 'eyes' were also discussed on this thread: https://www.defender2.net/forum/post417665.html To remark and quote one of the posters there "I'm not sure how they'd hold up if you were using them for heavy recovery, but for what I need they seem spot on.". I am also curious how the eye plate is attached to the base plate. Is it just a weld on the bottom side? no fillet on top??? I go with most others comments, they seem to be more cosmetic than functional. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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13th Feb 2022 12:48pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3208
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Google translate for the word Bergeöse gives me "Recovery eye". 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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13th Feb 2022 12:53pm |
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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118
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Thank you all for your feedback and detailed info & warnings about those recovery points. Well noted.
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13th Feb 2022 2:21pm |
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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118
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JATE rings
Back to safer territories. Fitted those JATE rings sourced from Nakatenanga. 80mm wide, so easy fit in front, nogo at rear because of the tow bar bolted at the same location. Will use the pin hitch instead. Click image to enlarge |
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18th Feb 2022 5:45pm |
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| mattia.CH Member Since: 29 Dec 2020 Location: Lausanne Posts: 48 
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The pictures in that post are incredible, I'll need some GPS coordinates one day
"Hi" from a fellow Keswickian in Switzerland, I'll read your thread carefully with all the nice discussion about water leaks etc (had similar problems - the gutter under the windshield has a small fixture that might be the cause and I sealed it with some rubber seal.) Edit: oh lord I saw the pic in front of the Lausanne Palace, amazing! didn't you get the Green Party lunatics to throw eggs at you? they used a Def in a recent event and I was furious about it: Click image to enlarge |
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21st Feb 2022 12:19pm |
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| lolo Member Since: 18 Jul 2021 Location: Vaud Posts: 118
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Hi Mattia!
Quite surprizingly no. No clue why. Click image to enlarge  |
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21st Feb 2022 6:52pm |
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