Supacat wrote:

Nitroneil wrote:

A car is a car

Spoken like a true Petrol head.

Nitroneil wrote:

The fact that the same basic car can be a mud and rock crawler but also hold its own Nuremburg seems to me a good thing.

I'm sure Gerry would be impressed with the verticality of those flags...

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Nitroneil wrote:

Oops guess combination of dyslexia and spellchecker kicked in there. but I am sure you get what I meant. Fixed now

Apologies, yes I knew what you meant but couldn't get the image out of my head.

Reading various online mags stating "the V8 gets a new Electronic Active Rear Differential" but looking at the latest JLR pricing list, it looks like it could be the same one fitted to all whether standard or optioned (unless part numbers are different):


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So I wonder, if the drift mode is there in the software for all vehicles and is another feature available to those that go playing with CCFs and other bits of software?

Supacat wrote:

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So I wonder, if the drift mode is there in the software for all vehicles and is another feature available to those that go playing with CCFs and other bits of software?

🤔 tempting, I wonder what the chances are of getting my 110 to drift  yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

AndrewM wrote:

Supacat wrote:

Where is a normal punter, even with the money to purchase one of these, going to be able to do that. On the public roads?

[Looking sheepish] er, I think that might be me.

We have deepish snow, mountain passes and hairpins. Sometimes the easiest way around a hairpin in the snow is traction off, weight the front, get it turning in and then use the power to get the car rotating. Obviously you need to know what's coming but we're talking relatively low speeds and it's certainly more controllable than understeer which on snow is the default.

I used to drive a manual Subaru Forester XT covering decent amount of km each year either on fresh snow or gravel. That car didn't have electronic stabilisation but was unstoppable as soon as you had learnt the basics of weight transfer and left foot braking.

My most recent car has been a BMW 3 series with x-drive and unfortunately it has two issues - first, switching off traction (and leaving it on on snow is appalling) sharpens the throttle and hangs on to gears longer which isn't really what you want. Mine also has a BMW exhaust system that bangs and crackles depending on the mode and switching traction off opens the valves in the exhaust which for driving around town at low speed isn't very sociable. Secondly on snow its low ground height means that you can sometime find the snow pushing the wheels off the ground (or building up at the front). I'm sure I'd be faster, and have more enjoyment, on snow in a Panda with a 5th of the power.

Or you could go old school:

Burlen Ltd (@BURLENCo) Tweeted:
That’s the way to do it! https://twitter.com/BURLENCo/status/1367543134494863363?s=20



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