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rockster57



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It’s interesting in the Series One World where some notables don’t seem to like Aussie ex CKD vehicles. The vast majority of the parts were made in the U.K. then shipped to Oz for assembly where other than very minor differences they are identical to a Solihull built Series One.
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And what about the Minerva, Def9?

Great chunks of it are from Solihull, other chunks made in Belgium where it was assembled.

Now many are being re-imported into the UK.


I think Grenadier has got it about right, even though I would prefer 100% British.
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INEOS Grenadier Is it British?

Idea (probably) Yes.
Design No*
Product Development No*
Components No*
Ultimate Build Location Maybe (but actually unimportant)

*International

What matters is...is the concept right (enough).

It has to be right for the Market or be so good that a Market is created.
If the concept is wrong no number of ideas will correct this.

The original Land Rover (from which every LR product originated) was right enough
LR have progressively taken the vehicles up-market and to a large degree they are more capable.

The new Defender has (IMO) has stepped too far away from a Utility Platform allowing
any number of bespoke work-specific solutions to be readily produced.

The INEOS Grenadier looks to have re imagined this concept with apparently the design
ethos to use 'more or less' the best available irrespective of nationality... for some time now
most 'complex' products have been sourced from an 'international parts bin', our Defenders are
no different.

I hope the Grenadier is built really (really) well and if so it could build a name for itself
and in the process attract the market who just can't look at the new Defender and imagine
buying one.

If INEOS can also get in under the eye watering new Defender Price... they are half way there... SKIP
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Slideywindows wrote:
And what about the Minerva, Def9?

Great chunks of it are from Solihull, other chunks made in Belgium where it was assembled.

Now many are being re-imported into the UK.

.


Yes of course Slidey, I hadn’t forgot about them but from comments I have read people don’t tend to diss Minervas to the same extent like they do with an Aussie import, maybe due to the fact that they are generally seen as good value for money and generally cheaper than an Ex Aussie vehicle.
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defender9 wrote:
It’s interesting in the Series One World where some notables don’t seem to like Aussie ex CKD vehicles. The vast majority of the parts were made in the U.K. then shipped to Oz for assembly where other than very minor differences they are identical to a Solihull built Series One.


I understood this is more to do with the great difficulty involved in registering them in the UK rather than any technical issue, as they are identical to UK built vehicles, just generally less rusty. 2011 110 USW
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ericvv wrote:
Like this guy’s pragmatism. Hits some nails on the head there.
Eric



Certainly a point of view I can respect. Thumbs Up
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22900013A wrote:
defender9 wrote:
It’s interesting in the Series One World where some notables don’t seem to like Aussie ex CKD vehicles. The vast majority of the parts were made in the U.K. then shipped to Oz for assembly where other than very minor differences they are identical to a Solihull built Series One.


I understood this is more to do with the great difficulty involved in registering them in the UK rather than any technical issue, as they are identical to UK built vehicles, just generally less rusty.


As long as you have the date of assembly in Australia which is available if you know who to contact within Land Rover then registration isn’t difficult. For ex CKD vehicles from say South Africa where records don’t seem to exist then yes I would say it’s almost impossible to get registered in the U.K.
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Re: Is it British?
Orchard wrote:
Land Rovers - HQ and engineering in the UK, and all except Disco and Defender built here


If you exclude all the engineering done in:

Hungary
India
China
USA
Ireland



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And there's more built abroad than just those two...
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Clarification:
All JLR models are manufactured in the UK except;
Disco and Defender built in Slovakia plant
I-Pace and E-Pace are manufactured under contract by Magna Styr in Austria

Some models are also built in markets for local tariff reasons;
Disco Sport, Evoque, E-Pace, XE lwb and XF lwb manufactured in China with Chery JV
CKD Kits exported from UK for build of some products in Pune, India, and in Brazil 2015 90 XS SW Bowler
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^^^^^

That seems not very 'all' to me?

Rolling with laughter Rgds.

Chris
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Orchard wrote:
Clarification:
All JLR models are manufactured in the UK except;
Disco and Defender built in Slovakia plant
I-Pace and E-Pace are manufactured under contract by Magna Styr in Austria

Some models are also built in markets for local tariff reasons;
Disco Sport, Evoque, E-Pace, XE lwb and XF lwb manufactured in China with Chery JV
CKD Kits exported from UK for build of some products in Pune, India, and in Brazil


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In addition the Ingenium engines are currently manufactured in 3 locations:

UK
China
India

Not to mention the other overseas operations:

5 Regional Offices
23 National Sales Offices
Purchasing offices in Brazil, Slovakia, Hungary, China & India.
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