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Zagato
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22900013A wrote:
I also read it as being that the 130 will be dropped (why???) and the pickups. I also heard from a source that there is not much hope of the 2.2 being any good for towing, so I'm glad I'm getting one of the very last 2.4s next week. Apparently anything ordered from about next week onwards will turn up with a 2.2 engine inside.

Looked at a new 130 today and the LR mechanics were ridiculing the cut and shut way that they now extend the chassis - it really is bad. Not even a proper long sleeve, they have seen a few coming back with problems with them...

20th May 2011 12:33pm

blackwolf

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Zagato wrote:
Looked at a new 130 today and the LR mechanics were ridiculing the cut and shut way that they now extend the chassis - it really is bad. Not even a proper long sleeve, they have seen a few coming back with problems with them...

Are you saying that LR has gone BACK to cut and shut?

In the early days, when 130s (or 127s as they were then) were built by SVO, they took 110s off the line and did this, but when the 130 got its own line the chassis were purpose-built to the right wheelbase (the early ones still usually say 110 WB on the V5).

I know that there have been some incidents recently of 130 cherry-pickers breaking in half, but I was under the impression that even these were on proper 127" wheelbase chassis (not extended). Is it possible that what you were looking at was a strengthening plate or gusset applied to the chassis? I would be shocked to find a new 130 on a cut and shut chassis, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that the chassis were being strengthened.

20th May 2011 1:11pm

TJ101

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2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

I thought the 2.2 for 2012 MY was common knowledge ??

Its not the cc that is the problem,, but the particulate filter that comes with it !!! total pants !!! California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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20th May 2011 2:06pm

JSG

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TJ101 wrote:
I thought the 2.2 for 2012 MY was common knowledge ??

Its not the cc that is the problem,, but the particulate filter that comes with it !!! total pants !!!

I think it is common knowledge now Tim. Chatting to my sales guy today and said they only have the option for one 2.4 Defender left then they will get no more until the 2012 model years start coming through. John

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20th May 2011 4:01pm

YVR

Member Since: 20 May 2011
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pUMA 2011

Speaking with the dealer principle today, and according to the 2012 new model line up- dealer briefing document , the word is as follows.....130 still available in crew cab and cab chassis form only. No SV quadtech bodies or tippers available due to EU 'Mass & Dimension rules'. There is absolutley no mention of an engine change top the Defender for 2012, or deletion of any other models, although it states MY12 will be available for dealer del in Sept after the August break.

20th May 2011 4:35pm

MartinK

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I was planning to swap my Disco for a Defender 2 110 USW. Had planned to buy new in March/April 2012.

Would I be better buying a late 2.4, or waiting till the new 2.2 I wonder?

The road tax is less of an issue, as it's commercial anyway...

However better MPG is attractive, so long as it's not underpowered or less reliable.

Just called my local dealer to see if there was a deal to be had on a 2.4, and he didn't even know about the possible change to 2.2 !

20th May 2011 5:17pm

JSG

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My local dealer told me they are finding they can't meet demand for the current 2.4 so oyu may not get much of a deal. John

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20th May 2011 5:58pm

NinetyTD4

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Talked to my dealer today and he said books are closed for the 2.4 Puma. LR will from now on accept only orders for the 2.2 and the earliest of these to arrive would be mid December. Documents for the 2012 Defender are not finished yet, due to the fact they still discuss on a greater facelift including plastic bumpers ... aarggs, glad I get a 2011 model.

20th May 2011 6:51pm

Landie Boy

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2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Plastic bumpers :O I wonder how quickly people will rip those off ...

Jack

20th May 2011 6:56pm

rossy

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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

well thanks to CR who pointed out that the road tax here is going to be the same for both engines I am ordering a 2.4.

Anyone I know who has a DPF gets constant grief from them if mostly used for short journeys as the soot builds up. And by using 2 stroke oil from new the EGR in the 2.4 will be clean as a whistle from day one. Just one little detail to check out (thank you spudfan) and hopfully August build/september delivery.......

21st May 2011 7:58am

willy eckerslike

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200cc really make that much difference

If its the same engine as the freelander then bring it on. It would be good if there was also another engine choice as well for those that tow heavy trailers everyday, but for 90% of us that just tow standard trailers and use the Land Rover for everyday stuff then why not the 2.2.

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21st May 2011 8:28am

Zagato
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blackwolf wrote:
Zagato wrote:
Looked at a new 130 today and the LR mechanics were ridiculing the cut and shut way that they now extend the chassis - it really is bad. Not even a proper long sleeve, they have seen a few coming back with problems with them...

Are you saying that LR has gone BACK to cut and shut?

In the early days, when 130s (or 127s as they were then) were built by SVO, they took 110s off the line and did this, but when the 130 got its own line the chassis were purpose-built to the right wheelbase (the early ones still usually say 110 WB on the V5).

I know that there have been some incidents recently of 130 cherry-pickers breaking in half, but I was under the impression that even these were on proper 127" wheelbase chassis (not extended). Is it possible that what you were looking at was a strengthening plate or gusset applied to the chassis? I would be shocked to find a new 130 on a cut and shut chassis, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that the chassis were being strengthened.

That would make more sense, although the mechanics thought it was an extension piece - hopefully they are wrong. One of them thought the capping's were still galvanised

so they could well be wrong

21st May 2011 9:18am

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
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willy eckerslike wrote:
200cc really make that much difference If its the same engine as the freelander then bring it on. It would be good if there was also another engine choice as well for those that tow heavy trailers everyday, but for 90% of us that just tow standard trailers and use the Land Rover for everyday stuff then why not the 2.2.

A 110 weighs around 490 kilo more than a Freelander

No, one more time - it is not the 2.2 Diesel engine built into Freelanders, these are DW12 engines from PSA, built originally for Peugeot 607, Citroen C5 etc. The Defender gets the new 2.2 engine from Ford Transit, which is said to be a modified ZSD422. Totally different beast.

21st May 2011 12:34pm

warren

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This is quite a depressing read, the Defender is well and truly on it's last legs it seems.

Is this the smallest engine ever to be fitted to a Defender, after the 2.25 petrols way back when?

21st May 2011 1:24pm

willy eckerslike

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NinetyTD4 wrote:
willy eckerslike wrote:
200cc really make that much difference If its the same engine as the freelander then bring it on. It would be good if there was also another engine choice as well for those that tow heavy trailers everyday, but for 90% of us that just tow standard trailers and use the Land Rover for everyday stuff then why not the 2.2.

A 110 weighs around 490 kilo more than a Freelander

No, one more time - it is not the 2.2 Diesel engine built into Freelanders, these are DW12 engines from PSA, built originally for Peugeot 607, Citroen C5 etc. The Defender gets the new 2.2 engine from Ford Transit, which is said to be a modified ZSD422. Totally different beast.

Say that again

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21st May 2011 1:31pm

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