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JSG

Member Since: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2412

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

It is the Transit version of the 2.2 that will be used.

Agree with 'get it now' view - mine should be on the drive next week

John

http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk

2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS

19th May 2011 12:20pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4511

Better the devil you know..Congratulations and enjoy. Ours is 08 and I still think it is wonderful. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

19th May 2011 12:22pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

BTW any infos on other changes for 2012? Will they keep the appearance or will plastic bumpers be introduced?

19th May 2011 12:59pm

Cowpat

Member Since: 11 Apr 2011
Location: Stockbridge, Hampshire
Posts: 12

I don't like the idea of a 2.2 either!

But i wonder whether LR will produce a special run out defender with perhaps a Td V6. Now that would be nice!!! Hopefully LR have ordered one from JE (the Saluki) to see whether it's possible to put on the production line. I'd definately buy a new one if they did that. 1986 Defender 90 County V8
1997 Overfinch Defender 90 570HSI - Pass anything apart from a petrol pump!
2011 Defender 90 TDCI xs
Best 4x4 by Far!

19th May 2011 1:37pm

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Fuji White

Why don't they put a singer motor and go totaly green.What a bunch of bean counters for a vehicle that put land rover on the map.I have used the Defender from it's Series 2 days and enjoy it's heritage and it's fualts that it has had from then.What other 4x4 has made it this far that still looks like the original and recognised without a badge on. Puma 110 SW
90 V8 SOFT TOP

19th May 2011 2:52pm

Landie Boy

Member Since: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 431

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

spudfan wrote:
Is the 130 dropped from the new range? If so is it down to low volumes not being economical or down to the 2.2 not being man enough for the fully laden 130?

It isn't shown on the current range....

19th May 2011 3:07pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

spudfan wrote:
Is the 130 dropped from the new range? If so is it down to low volumes not being economical or down to the 2.2 not being man enough for the fully laden 130?

No more 130, no more HC, no more short PickUp ...

19th May 2011 3:13pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

The market for "restored" defenders will grow. You can spec it how you like, with wat engine / box combo and what ever trim level. And better built than the factory in some cases.

Lower fixed rates of RFL the bonuses are endless

i'm keep my 2, they'll last me out!

19th May 2011 3:52pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

So, things get a bit more clear. I received my order confirmation for the new one. It will arrive in October and it will be a year 11 model with 2.4 Puma. Landrover is going to produce as long as November before switchibg to modell year 12 and that will be fitted with the 2.2 engine.

19th May 2011 6:00pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3616

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

try driving a 2.2 mondeo the engine is amazing if the defender engine goes that way there is little to worry about, however smaller somehow seams wrong to me as well, V6 sounds like a good idea but for a couple of years? DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

19th May 2011 6:20pm

RED-DOT

Member Since: 29 Jun 2009
Location: stirling
Posts: 2363

CC's are nothing to worry about, just look at BMW and Volkswagen group diesels. They are putting out far more BHP than the equivalent Petrol models. I own a BMW 123d and it puts out more BHP than a Sierra Cosworth and almost treble the fuel consumption of a Golf GTi from a 2.0 litre soot chucker. 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..

19th May 2011 6:29pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3140

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

I also read it as being that the 130 will be dropped (why???) and the pickups. I also heard from a source that there is not much hope of the 2.2 being any good for towing, so I'm glad I'm getting one of the very last 2.4s next week. Apparently anything ordered from about next week onwards will turn up with a 2.2 engine inside.

2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

19th May 2011 7:10pm

rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
Posts: 1296

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

well it seems the dealers here in Ireland were right after all as they have been aware of the engine change for a while now.

Here, though, the $64000 question is emissions. The current 110 2.4 = 291g co2 which costs us € 2100 annually for a tax disc. If the 2.2 comes below 225g that will half the road tax.

I am totally champing at the bit now and can't wait to order one. Does anyone know if CO2 figures have been published yet for the 2.2 ? Can't find anything on google

20th May 2011 9:39am

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

We can estimate CO2 from the Ford Transit data. The 2011 Ford ECOnetic does have 7.2l consumption and 189 g CO2, the 2012 Ford Transit ECOnetic FT 280 K is said to go for 178, or 173 g CO2 when speed reduced to 110 km/h. The Defender won't go that down, but I suspect it might go below 200. Official data on the new 2.2 is on its way. Compare the Defender with the AWD Transit -> old: 2.4Puma 140hp/375NM goes to new: 2.2Puma 125hp/350NM. My experience with these green-optimized engines is that the loss in power is greatly felt in daily live and am happy to receive one of the last 2.4 engines ...

20th May 2011 10:13am

mrandmrsh

Member Since: 31 May 2010
Location: Huddersfield
Posts: 692

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

NinetyTD4 wrote:
We can estimate CO2 from the Ford Transit data. The 2011 Ford ECOnetic does have 7.2l consumption and 189 g CO2, the 2012 Ford Transit ECOnetic FT 280 K is said to go for 178, or 173 g CO2 when speed reduced to 110 km/h.

Have I read this right? The 2.4 Transit is 189 and the 2.2 Transit is 173 (at it's lowest).

rossy wrote:
Here, though, the $64000 question is emissions. The current 110 2.4 = 291g co2 which costs us € 2100 annually for a tax disc. If the 2.2 comes below 225g that will half the road tax.

So Transit dropped by nearly 9%. If Defender drops but the same proportion your 291 will become 266, still some way off 225. I really can't see the swap to the smaller engine in a car that weighs so much with brick-like aerodynamics knocking off the (225/291) 22% you are looking for. Sorry.

C

20th May 2011 10:27am

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