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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3357   
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27th Nov 2017 1:19pm |
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theft are using with have trouble reading the code this is biggest problem with keyless entry to cars and thieves have worked this out and had the relay box made 
| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 829  
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Apparently you can buy a "Faraday pouch" from Amazon to combat this £25 + though
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27th Nov 2017 2:05pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3357
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£25? They are only lined with tinfoil. You can get wallets and other pouches for a couple of quid on ebay.
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27th Nov 2017 2:20pm |
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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 829
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£25 is clearly too much, I was just quoting what I saw on another forum
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27th Nov 2017 2:47pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2539 
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I use a McVities Faraday cage, works just as well and saved me £25.
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27th Nov 2017 6:52pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3357
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Classy.
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27th Nov 2017 6:58pm |
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| Ade90 Member Since: 30 May 2014 Location: Birmingham Posts: 130
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Plus you get to eat the biscuits
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27th Nov 2017 7:00pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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Apparently leaving ones keys in the fridge can shield them from scanners, just do not be in too much haste to put then in your trouser pocket in the morning
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27th Nov 2017 7:06pm |
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| Clive Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Littleborough Posts: 467 
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Not wishing to detract from the gravity of the original point of this thread, but I really just don't get the point of all this keyless entry thing, it seems to me to be yet another example of a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist and then creating more security problems in the process.
How hard can it be to simply press a keyfob button when next to the car, or even shove the key in a hole and turn it, is all the extra technology really justified? |
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27th Nov 2017 7:59pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4801 
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'Convinence' I think you'll find. Because pressing a button AND pulling the handle to open the door is just far too troublesome. Who would want to be bothered with that?!
But yes I think it's a combination of manufacturers making solutions to 'problems' that don't exist and also consumers demanding it. If there was no demand then surely they wouldn't do it? 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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27th Nov 2017 8:11pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4801
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On our campsite we have to jump start people all the time because the car is 'ready' to drive all the time because it can detect the keys through the caravan walls or indeed tent. Generally they are unlocked as well as the key is within range
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27th Nov 2017 8:13pm |
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| JustFX Member Since: 10 Nov 2016 Location: Mendip Hills Posts: 190 
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From what I can guess they are using something like a HackRF and running Wireshark. Listening to the signals sent and received at both ends and just transmitting them. Much like how a wifi repeater does.
Not really complicated if you have time to work it out. |
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27th Nov 2017 8:47pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17778 
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Unlikely, since the protocols are different. Technically it's easy enough to do, but it is only recently that the technology has become small enough to be battety powered and cheap. A Chinese firm has now demonstrated phone-sized devices that will work up to 320m and cost under $20.
If you're interested, look for research by Boris Danev. If you have a car with PKE, keep the all the keys in tins at all times when you're not actually driving the car (including times like paying for fuel, etc). PKE systems really are pointless, and, when the appalling vulnerabilities and troublesome countermeasures are considered, are more hassle and less secure than RKE systems like those on late Defenders. Provided that you make sure that the vehicle really has locked when you press the button (to defeat the simplest vulnerability of these systems), RKE systems are not easy to open. For the technically minded, see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.723.6172 |
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27th Nov 2017 10:09pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 04 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5293
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this is what happens when things get more technical. I saw a documentary about it all years ago. Was shocking on what tech the thieves have! Once stolen, they can just deactivate the tracker with some tricky software from a laptop. Then the car is packed up and sent out of the country.
Seen them use a fob jammer too, for central locking on older cars. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back In the words of my Good Friend, Gary Forrest 1980 -2025 " we will work something out" |
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28th Nov 2017 7:14am |
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