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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664   
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Test driving a new Grenadier today.
I really fancy one. The hardest part would be selling my Defender! I thought my Defender would be the car I owned to the grave! Part of me is hoping not to like the Grenadier  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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26th May 2023 8:18am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4401
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Looking forward to your opinion...
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26th May 2023 8:25am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: Bath Posts: 1035 
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Will be interested to hear your thoughts. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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26th May 2023 9:02am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2591  
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Ineos Grenadier review from an actual owner. Live first drive from my wife.
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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26th May 2023 10:56am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: Bath Posts: 1035
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Another owners perspective.
Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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26th May 2023 2:06pm |
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| hootintootin Member Since: 28 Jan 2022 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 7
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Seen two in the last week in N Yorks, A cream one and a black one
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26th May 2023 8:19pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664
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So.. Drove the Grenadier on Friday. First impressions were "wow" this is brilliant! Lovely seats, great driving position, lots of features to enjoy! The ride is awesome for a vehicle of this type. handling is very good, and even pushing it on bumpy bends that would have a "proper" Defender wobbling around, the Grenadier never gets ruffled. Auto box is a peach. Low revs at motorway speeds, drops into 8th (top) gear just over 50mph on a feathered throttle (approx 1500 revs). At a given engine speed, it revs about 10% lower in top gear than my 6-sp Puma. Off road we know the Grenadier is awesome.
BUT - the one I drove was petrol engine (known as the B58 I believe). It was thrashy. Very thirsty. I reset the trip data about halfway round the drive (the sales guy let us out on our own!), and the average MPG (driving like miss daisy) was 22.9 mpg!!! I would definitely not have petrol. Hoping the Diesel (BMW B57 engine) is much better. Looking at the BMW X5 data, the petrol engine gets woeful MPG (like 29mpg) but the B57 diesel, in an X5 can apparently reach 40mpg on a run.... I know the Grenadier is heavier and less aerodynamic than an X5, but I expected better I definitely won't be buying a Grenadier unless it gets better MPG than my twelve year-old 110 (I almost always get over 30mpg, often 33 mpg... plus I have no Ad-Blu costs either). Hopefully I will get a spin in a diesel soon... Overall I really like the Grenadier, but I hope they have made the right engine choice with BMW engines. My Ducato is heavier than the Grenadier (it's a motorhome), and has a 2.3 diesel with 9-sp auto. It manages 35 mpg most of the time. I think Ineos may have made a better decision to put a commercial van engine in instead... I'm sure someone like Iveco or similar would make a cracking, torquey diesel, with a very long duty-cycle at lower cost that the BMW B57... (or even a Mercedes OM654) Failing my attempts to like the Grenadier (it's only the engine and mpg that is a concern), it looks like I may be throwing a few grand at Ashcroft and putting an Auto in my 110, and keeping it another 10 years!!!  There's nothing else on the market to interest me, and prise me out of the 110 I've owned for 12 years (since new - mine is one of the very last 2.4's)
I really expected to fall in love with the Grenadier, and be putting my Defender on the market, but based on my experience so far (with the petrol engine) it's not for me. Fingers crossed for the diesel or I will be retrieving the deposit I paid on the Grenadier a few months ago... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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28th May 2023 9:51am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3247 
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Harry’s Garage review will live at 5 today. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
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28th May 2023 1:18pm |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4401
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Just seen one at Broughton shopping centre. Look good really good. Even the wife said she liked it… Different enough but at the same time familiar
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28th May 2023 1:48pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2548
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The book figure for the diesel is 25mpg so I think you’ll be disappointed.
It is a shame given that a 30+ year old Land Rover can do over 30mpg, but the Grenadier is much heavier (~2,700kg) and I guess the modern engine, while beautifully torquey and mated to the wonderful 8-speed ZF, is hampered by all the normal emissions stuff. |
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28th May 2023 5:40pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1567 
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Harry took it on a weigh bridge and it was 2900kg. So with driver only you only have 600kg left. Vosa will have fun pulling these in.
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28th May 2023 7:32pm |
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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 621  
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2008 2.4 110 Utility XS.
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28th May 2023 9:47pm |
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| WizzardPrang Member Since: 05 Nov 2020 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 122 
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Good honest review. The Harry's Farm review should be interesting. Current vehicle: 2020 Defender 110S
Gone: Defender 90 HT 200Tdi, Discovery Sport, Freelander 2 Insta: wizzardprang |
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28th May 2023 11:20pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4480 
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Funny you should say that. Some years ago an Iveco diesel transplant was a popular choice in Defenders. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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29th May 2023 12:06am |
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