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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5132   
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Brexit whether you voted stay or leave has now become a farce. As have our politics.
We are now not just ruled by our elected idiots, but it appears any Tom, Dick or Harry in the public domain or in this case by Investment manager Gina Miller who has been the lead claimant in the case to get Parliament to vote on whether the UK can start the process of leaving the EU or not. She has the money and the audacity to convince our out of touch chief Justices to change the will of the people. Now lets have the facts Ms Miller, 51, is an investment manager and philanthropist, she has not been given a remit from the voting public to change anything, she was not even born in Britain but was born in Guyana, but now a foreigner has successfully more or less overturned a democratic right of our British Political system. I ask you, you could not make it up. This government, and by that I suppose I mean the complete house of MPs are allowing the falling pound and market turmoil to continue by dilly dallying, the saying Nero, fiddled while Rome burned comes to mind. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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3rd Nov 2016 4:01pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5132
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I agree with your comments Riverboy, but as each day passes it becomes clear that our elected MPs have not got a clue on how to leave the EU and seem to be running around like headless chickens, waiting for an idea to drop from the sky that may be workable, and as such their wasting of time or as it appears doing nothing, or being unable to decide what to do is allowing those who wish to remain in the EU for their own ends to overturn decisions made by our elected representatives. It matters not if those decisions are right or wrong or if you agree with them or not, we the people have given our government leave to make those decisions on our behalf, that is what democracy is, and as such unelected persons should not be allowed to overturn them, that is what our opposition parties are for, LOL. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
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3rd Nov 2016 4:42pm |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288 
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I think the problem is, they all know that no matter how they go about this, its always going to be a total disaster for the UK and the rest of the EU is just waiting to shred them to pieces once article 50 is finally evoked. If it ever is. They gave the public the vote and got the answer they never thought they would get and now are scared to death to act on it or go against the British publics wishes and risk a revolution. Whatever they do, they cannot win. Lucky old them
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3rd Nov 2016 4:48pm |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932  
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It's a disaster for the whole EU. No one is coming out of this well. HR064 Hampshire and Berkshire 4x4 Response
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3rd Nov 2016 4:52pm |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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I quite agree JJ.
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3rd Nov 2016 4:52pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20921
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The main farcical one is Cameron p, what was wrong with setting out terms BEFORE the vote.
Then there was no need for uncertainty in either direction. No he was busy and more interested in Project Fear with Giddy George. 
Carry on down the current route and the EU will be the ones doing us over not the other way around and "certain" individuals here are to blame. You don't over turn a democratic elected govt, so you don't overturn a democratic referendum vote either. Especially with a PM saying once the decision is made it is FINAL. It's like the Scottish indi ref, they voted to stay in the U.K. However, because done wanted to leave the U.K. Surely it needed to be overturned did it not? No of course it wasn't. But then that was not the stinking fish that is the EU. It's not about hating foreign countries or people, it's about protecting our country and our rights & democracy. Without democracy you have disctatorship. It'll be the Dominican Republic or Comombia style next.
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3rd Nov 2016 5:35pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Ms Miller, 51, is an investment manager and philanthropist, pots of money and run rufshote over the wishes of 17,0000 + voters in UK, the only thing Ms Miller is worried about is investment that she has made
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3rd Nov 2016 6:09pm |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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How was Cameron supposed to set out the terms before the vote when even now the current Prime Minister cannot do that either because the EU will not tell her the terms until she evokes article 50.
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3rd Nov 2016 6:15pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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Cameron, in my view, should be stripped of any chance of getting a "title" or any other form of reward for his disservice to the country. His and George Osbourne's complete incompetence in handling the referendum is what left us in this position. I don't blame them for the result, although they certainly didn't help persuade people we should stay, but the idea that you give people two choices and only plan for the outcome of one of them... well, in most walks of life that would be considered pretty stupid. It does make you wonder how secure the country was during their reign if they only ever planned for what they expected to happen and made no plans for the unexpected.
Anyway, we'll see what happens I guess. My understanding is that no negotiation can take place prior to article 50 so having an Act of Parliament to invoke it should be as simple as that. The fish people and labour will no doubt try and tag all sorts of clauses onto it but in the end the main parties will have to vote for it and, with a parliamentary majority, the government could theoretically pass the act without the support of any other party. The lords would be able to block it no doubt although they might not want to take on that particular fight ! http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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3rd Nov 2016 6:19pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17881 
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But the EU itself is an abject disaster. |
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3rd Nov 2016 6:28pm |
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| Tiger Member Since: 06 Jul 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2265 
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Wasn't rule of UK law and Sovereignty of the UK Parliament one of the main reasons to leave the EU
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3rd Nov 2016 6:44pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Oliver Cromwell
He found a Rump Parliament of MPs, who appeared determined to extend their rule indefinitely. Cromwell harangued them on the floor of the House of Commons for being self-serving and then his troops forcibly shut down Parliament. He replaced it with the assembly of saints, a nominated group of men he considered suitably puritan. But, when they too proved unsatisfactory, he had them removed as well. sound like what go around comes around |
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3rd Nov 2016 6:57pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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This is a very good explanation. You might not agree with him. But you can't disagree with the facts.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/jame...it-ruling/ New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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3rd Nov 2016 7:40pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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Right, I can't let this pass. Did you seriously invoke the Johnny Foreigner line? 
Did you bother to check her citizenship or were you too busy jumping up and down demanding to see Obama's birth certificate? What she did was use democracy. The very thing you want to wave around in defence of the fact the Brexit vote polled more than the remain. That doesn't make it a win. There is a process to go through. Part of that process is the law. Just because it's not what you want to hear, does not give you the right to scream about foreign people destroying your democracy. Ok, I retract that it does. Because it's a democracy, so you can say what you like unless it breaks the law. However, don't be surprised if it paints a very, very poor picture of you when you do New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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3rd Nov 2016 7:47pm |
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