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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3153   
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Some interesting comments here. I am dismayed to see the UK getting a bit of a knocking though, like others, I think this is a great country with much to offer, be it scenery, history, the coastline...etc etc.
I know plenty of foreign people who for whatever reason have left their place of birth and chose to come to the UK raher than any other place in the world. My other half is Portuguese. She chose to come here rather then me move to Portugal, as there are much better prospects here. In her view, Portugal is collapsing due to chronic mis-government which makes our system look like a top flight professional job. I don't know many Portuguese who favour the EU and more then a few have expressed a wish for their own referendum. The same could be said of my time recently in Germany and Austria. The vast majority of locals we spoke to expressed the same wish, to leave the EU which they all viewed as a monolithic faceless structure which could not be challenged. I am not convinced any kind of meaningful change could be enacted from within, better to leave in the hope that the whole lot collapses. They (The EU) never seemed to make any attempt to convince us to stay, and seem to have acted in a spiteful manner ever since the vote. As to the "foreign-ness" of the claimant in the recent court case, I can only share my partners view. She was born and raised in Portugal as I said and has lived here for about seven years. She does not see herself as British, and nor does she want to. She says that as she does not share in our history she can't really be part of it, although she does love much of how we live, and she said had she have been allowed to vote she would have voted leave. I think in time the EU will go the way of the dinosaurs anyway, so we will "leave" one way or another. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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5th Nov 2016 10:23am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5108 
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All the legal challenge did was highlight how poor the government are at governing. IF they had done their job properly, the legal challenge would not have succeeded
the law is the law, you cant break it to get what you want...but parliament set the law so its easy to make it do what you want - its not a hard concept (well clearly it is). As for this country, many people have focused on its greatness being scenery, history etc and indeed we have some cool s  t and some great stuff...but (there's always a but), other countries have the same, better or worse and neither of that make us great.
I would disagree (well i would with the coast, who likes the sea really  ) that Snowdonia, peaks, highlands of Scotland etc etc arent great places to be...i would argue my point that the National Park Authorities are bad (and part of my original point against freedoms and how small minded we are in the UK), but scenery and history etc are great.
Equally in all of Europe there are place as good and better - look at Alps or Black Forest - Norway etc etc. Some of our climatic balance is good, but equally not. But none of that detracts from the core points of what makes this country not great - laws, lack of freedom, societal attitudes, infrastructure etc etc Finally to pick up on the point of people leaving the UK and returning...well that issue is very different - when you have had years, the most important years of your life, learning things are done a certain way, being used to certain foods etc then it is very difficult to adjust abroad, being away from family and some of the "easy" things made that way by knowing how it works here, makes being away harder...finally where the language isnt English etc just makes it harder...so yes there is always a slight relief to return, but having spent time in the US and Europe, i feel that less and less. Finally Finally, mentality of people is different and some people can adjust and look forward better than others, making that transition to a different culture much easier. Still doesnt make this country greater. Yes there are worse countries too and we are awful - we just arent all that, that people think. Mike |
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5th Nov 2016 11:08am |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096 
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Gilarion, thanks for clarifying your post. Much appreciated.
However, the law is the law. If I were in another Country and saw their Govt doing something that affected me greatly and I had a reason to believe that I could challenge that for whatever reason benefitted me. Then I could choose to do so. That ability exists because we are British. In my view, it's one of the things that makes us great. Freedom of speech. Freedom to take on the Government without fear of being dragged from your house by either said Govt, or over exuberant people who disagree (I am not in anyway painting you as either one of these, merely stating they exist). What does give me a wry grin is that the people who are raging (not on here, but media etc) are the very ones who constantly told us 'you lost, it was democracy - live with it'. Yet democracy has spoken and they couldn't be more upset. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to put the detail to your first post. I hope you accept the reason why I wrote my response. Best regards New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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5th Nov 2016 3:56pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5132  
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Projectblue I do, and hold no complaint.
It is easy sometimes for persons to fall out on a forum over comments that rankle a person’s held beliefs, and unless that other person takes the time to explain in greater depth their meanings in the hope that it can put to rest another person’s views by agreeing to disagree and accepting that their held opinion is as valid as anyone’s, it ends up in what is classed in forum terms as a ‘flame war’, which, sadly when this happens many other members enjoy reading such repeated exchanges of abuse and insulting comments, personally I would not give those type of members the satisfaction and it appears that Martin who runs this forum will not either. Long may you agree or disagree with me, that is as you say what free speech is all about.  For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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