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derbywill



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England 2005 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Java Black
Can a battery back up sounder be added to a 90 xs 05plate ? Is it a plug and play item?
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Will 2005 90 XS
1954 86'' Series 1 tilt
Post #257066 7th Aug 2013 8:08pm
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In 99% of cases the wiring is already in the wing loom.... so yes plug and play. Although I would actually put it in a none standard location.

The only other thing you need to do is change the settings on the 10AS unit with suitable diagnostic equipment.


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Post #257075 7th Aug 2013 8:29pm
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WelshGas



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The backup battery sounder is basically a horn/siren powered by a rechargeable battery that is constantly re-charged. The siren is set off by either a signal from the alarm unit or when the power supply is disconnected. I have fitted a 3 rd party battery powered sounder to a permenant , fused, live supply from the battery. So, if the alarm unit is triggered then the normal alarm sounds. If the battery is disconnected then the backup sounder is triggered.
In fact I have 2 Sounders fitted under the bonnet and elsewhere. They can be disabled with a special key, if you know where the units are. It all helps. Thumbs Up LANDYWATCH

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Post #257076 7th Aug 2013 8:31pm
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party monkey



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After Ian's post I'm now doubting myself as I always thought Td5 wing looms were pre-wired but Pumas pre MY12 or MY13 (can't recall when they fitted BBUS as standard) were not pre-wired for BBUS, hence the need for the new loom that KMAC mentioned.


@ DerbyWill, I have an 05 plate Td5 110 XS and found the BBUS connector (brown multiplug, four black wires) lurking behind NS headlamp. Plug and play and all seems to work fine. Echo the view not to place the sounder in usual location as they are a step in the right direction but can be beaten in both a crude and cunning way.

Ian - if you don't mind, would you PM me the changes needed on the 10AS settings (I've got a Nanocom Evo). It all seems to work as it should and I didn't change any of the 10AS settings. I wouldn't mind double checking.

@ Caterham, another option to consider, if you don't mind two plippers, is to run another alarm/immob (Cat1 or otherwise) independently of the existing 10AS alarm/immob. I can't comment if this would work without conflict on a PUMA but it's fine in my Td5 world at least. And yes, fit a tracker or two too Thumbs Up Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.
Post #257106 7th Aug 2013 10:22pm
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Caterham



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thank you for all the responses.
Post #257166 8th Aug 2013 6:57am
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Zim



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I too have read up extensively on the site about upgrading the alarm. My insurer had asked for evidence that my 2007 Defender LR fitted alarm was Cat2. (I can't seem to find this). After having read numerous responses about alarms I have gone for a new alarm system which includes the Blackjax anti hijack, warn away and anti tilt as extras to the base unit.

It is a Clifford G5 650 MK2 alarm which will be fitted in a few days. If you PM me, I will give you the full spec, prices and details of the company fitting it as I also wanted full certification for the insurer and back up. The prices on places like eBay are just for the base spec's with no extra's. 2007 Defender 90 XS
Post #257197 8th Aug 2013 10:30am
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kmac



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Zim

In this Thatcham doc (page 26) you can see all Defenders from 2007 onwards are rated Cat 2 (which means immobiliser only)
The Defender alarm is not certified as even though battery back-up is now standard LR haven't put it forward for certification.
http://www.thatcham.org/files/pdf/compliance.pdf
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Zim



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Cheers, much appreciated! 2007 Defender 90 XS
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derbywill



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Thanks Ian and party monkey ill ave a look!
Will 2005 90 XS
1954 86'' Series 1 tilt
Post #257377 8th Aug 2013 10:12pm
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mobilecentre



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Caterham wrote:
thanks kmac

hmm.

not wanting to poo poo anyone but I don't have the battery back up alarm.

does that suggest the c£500 I've seen quoted to upgrade mine to a thatcham 1 is simply to replace the siren for a battery back up version - seems like alot of dosh?

(but them I'm tight) Laughing


It is the fitment of a complete new alarm in conjunction with the OE immobiliser, most insurance companies should be happy with CAT 2. We can do a cheaper version where you have an additional key fob instead of the all in one key. We could supply for DIY fit but there is no insurance certification with this option.

As has been said the LR battery backed up siren is the cheapest and easiest upgrade.

Cat 2 > 1 upgrade is a days work
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Caterham



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aha,

thanks - that makes far more sense - a complete new alarm. Bow down


does a thatcham 1 car (defender) become almost impossible / practica to steal? clearly this excludes having your keys / fob nicked and having the car lifted.
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mobilecentre



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Caterham wrote:
aha,

thanks - that makes far more sense - a complete new alarm. Bow down


does a thatcham 1 car (defender) become almost impossible / practica to steal? clearly this excludes having your keys / fob nicked and having the car lifted.


It overcomes some weaknesses in the OE system shall we say Whistle
Post #258593 14th Aug 2013 11:57am
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