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appaloosadude



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Havana
Anyone to swap (Rear) CSW 110 springs for Utility? (td5)
As per title, I'm told that CSW has softer Rear springs, and I have a DCPU - wanted to soften the ride a little bit. Would anyone like a swap?
Post #193659 15th Dec 2012 10:23am
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db950



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I thought all 110's had the same spring on apart from one exception.
Part no RKB101111 brown/purple on most but 110 sw with 7 seats has
RKB500300 white/green/green which has a slightly longer free length, presumably to counteract the extra weight of the seats.
Not sure you will get a softer genuine land rover set.
Post #193664 15th Dec 2012 11:15am
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Mountain_man



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JST has swappen the Brown/purples for white /green/green and reports a much nicer ride, especially when running light. He has, though, installed a set of air springs which get pumped up whenever he needs to tow heavy loads. Sort of the best of both worlds.
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MartinK



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Mountain_man wrote:
JST has swappen the Brown/purples for white /green/green and reports a much nicer ride, especially when running light. .


I did the same - and report a better ride with white/green/green - and then a set of Koni Heavy Track RAID made the whole thing better still...now more like a Disco2 than a Defender. Also SWMBO's constatnt comments bout awful ride quality have stopped... Thumbs Up Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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db950



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When swapping from brown/purples to white/green/green did you notice a difference in ride height when unladen or wasn't it noticeable? Also when loaded are they ok or do they sag more
Many thanks
Post #193717 15th Dec 2012 2:06pm
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MartinK



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db950 wrote:
When swapping from brown/purples to white/green/green did you notice a difference in ride height when unladen or wasn't it noticeable? Also when loaded are they ok or do they sag more
Many thanks


Unladen Ride Height - i didn't notice a difference, but the dip beam did project slightly lower suggesting the rear sat slightly higher...

Laden - I don't carry a lot in the back (that's what my trailer is for), usually just bikes and kayaks (and only driver and 1 passenger) so I can't comment about ride height. However I can say thta the difference in ride quality between the 2 spring types is less noticable when laden (i.e. the brown/purple were OK when laden anyway).

I believe the white/green/green are tri-rate, so the immediate travel is soft, then once that has been used, the spring hardens.

IMHO the white/green/green are much better if you're not travelling heavily loaded frequently.

On my write-up (here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic13312.html ) I would suggest that swapping springs isn't expensive (or time-consuming) - I got a discount off dan@Duckworth on the new springs, and then sold my original springs recovering most of the outlay Thumbs Up Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #193722 15th Dec 2012 2:30pm
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appaloosadude



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Mountain_man wrote:
JST has swappen the Brown/purples for white /green/green and reports a much nicer ride, especially when running light. He has, though, installed a set of air springs which get pumped up whenever he needs to tow heavy loads. Sort of the best of both worlds.

My thoughts exactly! I was considering doing -30mm or -50mm on the rear as well. Koni Heavy Track: are these dampers or springs?
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Koni Heavy Track are dampers, and very good the are too Thumbs Up Darren

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appaloosadude



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Stupid question incoming;
Whats the difference between the KONIs and the OEM fit?
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appaloosadude wrote:
Stupid question incoming;
Whats the difference between the KONIs and the OEM fit?


OEM is 'Original Equipment Manufacturer' so the original ones on the truck from Land Rover or ones made to the same spec. Koni are an after market manufacturer, and produce very high quality shocks.
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appaloosadude



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Perhaps I should re-phrase that. What is better about the KONI as opposed to the original Land Rover? Also, I've done a quick google, and the Koni seem to be about £180 per shock! (That seems very expensive to me). Last shocks I bought were about £50 for the pair, and were Gas.
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appaloosadude



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Post #193813 15th Dec 2012 8:06pm
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There's nothing wrong with the original Land Rover shocks, they will do the job fine. But they are, as with every component on the vehicle, a compromise between cost and performance. They do have the advantage of being able to get hold of them very easily, which would be a factor to consider if you were to travel far afield.

Koni are somewhat higher performance than standard shocks, but obviously the cost is higher. If your use of the vehicle and your pocket can justify/afford them then they will do a better job than the standard fit ones do.
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appaloosadude wrote:
Perhaps I should re-phrase that. What is better about the KONI as opposed to the original Land Rover? Also, I've done a quick google, and the Koni seem to be about £180 per shock! (That seems very expensive to me). Last shocks I bought were about £50 for the pair, and were Gas.


You're looking at the 'Raid" version of the shocks, well overkill if you're not using them for off road racing. The "normal" Koni Heavy Track are around £60-£70 each, depending on the length. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
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appaloosadude



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davew wrote:


You're looking at the 'Raid" version of the shocks, well overkill if you're not using them for off road racing. The "normal" Koni Heavy Track are around £60-£70 each, depending on the length.


That's more like it. Thanks Thumbs Up
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