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| ResGuy68 Member Since: 15 May 2021 Location: Austin Posts: 26  
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Those are solid points to push back on.
My experience hase been that BOF has generally made access, customization and repair much easier than comparable unibody offerings. The axels, transmissions and associated suspension systems have also been more robust. Robustness may be a function of the added "room" available in many BOF SUVs or it may simple be that those components have not been as much a priority in the unibody vehicles which I have seen. Just because I haven't seen it done before doesn't mean it cannot be done. If Land Rover was able to pull it off, kudos to them. My bias is anchored by too many torn-up Subarus. I will be the first to admit that unibody offerings are safer, allow for improved on-road handling, and are nice tools for improved mileage aerodynamic layouts. However, there are few categorical "bests at everything" when it comes to design tradeoffs. The fact that the body on frame is the standard among the most commonly off-road capable SUVs is telling. |
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14th Jun 2021 12:44am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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^^^
‘My experience hase been that BOF has generally made access, customization and repair much easier than comparable unibody offerings. The axels, transmissions and associated suspension systems have also been more robust. Robustness may be a function of the added "room" available in many BOF SUVs or it may simple be that those components have not been as much a priority in the unibody vehicles which I have seen. Just because I haven't seen it done before doesn't mean it cannot be done. If Land Rover was able to pull it off, kudos to them.’ Couldn’t agree with your first comment more and it’s absolutely one of the most disappointing aspects on the new Defender. Whilst the tech has moved forward, the concept of the vehicle has definitely been a retrograde step. But as for your second comment, I think you might be wishing for too much. It will simply never be customizable nor fixable in any sense as we ‘classic’ Defenders think of it. Ever. Sadly JLR has left that club despite being arguably one of the founders and most long standing members, and further boasting an almost obsessive following. And all for what? To produce yet another pimpable SUV. Yes, it’s bloody brilliant off road, but otherwise offers  all to most pre-2016 Defender owners. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Jun 2021 8:48am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765
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^^^
‘My experience hase been that BOF has generally made access, customization and repair much easier than comparable unibody offerings. The axels, transmissions and associated suspension systems have also been more robust. Robustness may be a function of the added "room" available in many BOF SUVs or it may simple be that those components have not been as much a priority in the unibody vehicles which I have seen. Just because I haven't seen it done before doesn't mean it cannot be done. If Land Rover was able to pull it off, kudos to them.’ Couldn’t agree with your first comment more and it’s absolutely one of the most disappointing aspects on the new Defender. Whilst the tech has moved forward, the concept of the vehicle has definitely been a retrograde step. But as for your second comment, I think you might be wishing for too much. It will simply never be customizable nor fixable in any sense as we ‘classic’ Defenders think of it. Ever. Sadly JLR has left that club despite being arguably one of the founders and most long standing members, and further boasting an almost obsessive following. And all for what? To produce yet another pimpable SUV. Yes, it’s bloody brilliant off road, but otherwise offers all to most pre-2016 Defender owners. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Jun 2021 8:48am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3995  
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I agree with Grenadier’s views about the customisation and adaptability of Defender and have been thinking about how the Grenadier might take up the mantle. Whilst it will undoubtedly be easier than a monocoque/unibody design, it still won’t be a patch on Defender Classic I don’t think. It’s a welded body from what I’ve seen, so there’ll be limited scope for DIY mix and match structural adaptation, especially with the station wagon variant. The pick up concept did look to have a separate bed which offers more options if you remove it. Maybe a chassis cab will come in time.
You’re going to need to be a Ninja with the angle grinder and mig to convert a pickup into station wagon. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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19th Jun 2021 10:07am |
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| Morepower Member Since: 08 Jan 2013 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 630 
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If the stats are right... 1 ton load, 5 people its going to replace the old 110 usw... If it's capable of qualifying as a commercial vehicle... Then I think it will slaughter the 110 HT.... I would seriously look at one......
Regards future body styles... who knows... could be they make only the one style...????... food fr thought on Ineos vs JLR... Ineos are making money... JLR as far as I'm aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong) are in pretty dire straits.... just my 2p It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse... 2013 Bowler 110 (Sold) 2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold) |
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20th Jun 2021 8:28pm |
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| Black Puma Member Since: 31 Jan 2015 Location: Sydney Posts: 175 
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Toyota Landcrusier, second hand prices surging. They are a great looking truck to boot.
There certainly is a market to buy something rugged, reliable and easily accessorised / modified. Buyers are willing to pay for it. Here in Au anyway. https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-.../100450364 |
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14th Sep 2021 2:21am |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1613 
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^^^ hence why I have a 25 year old Land Cruiser as a daily drive.
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14th Sep 2021 10:20am |
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| Mike_E Member Since: 13 Apr 2017 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 160 
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If i were back in Aus I'd buy a 70 series in a heartbeat.. (grew up with troopies and camping in Perth). looking at getting one here in the UK but the prices are huge for grey imports... £58k + VAT for a new one unless you want LHD then they are 35k + VAT
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14th Sep 2021 10:52am |
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