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pcoote

Member Since: 01 Aug 2010
Location: Oxford
Posts: 83

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Images of long wheel base versions !, images are cut from a video I found on youtube

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29th Sep 2011 9:50pm

JSG

Member Since: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2412

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Thanks for that - looks better than the 3 door

John

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2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS

29th Sep 2011 10:35pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Sorry guys,

Still I miss the remembrance of the "old" ones (Alpine windows, square lines, etc).
You can said me retrograde, but is just my feeling with this model. In my view, you cannot throw away years of the people's remembrances the human beign doesnt work in that way.

Nothing to say about the capabilities (we still don't know about it) but taking just the thing that we seen, looks more near to a standard SUV than the "rough go anywere" old classic Series/Defender.

For me, is more honest to said that JLR ends the Series/Defender line and replace it by this model instead to said that this will be in the same saga of the Series/Defender.

Is just my thoughts.

Cheers Eduardo

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29th Sep 2011 11:40pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

JSG wrote:
Thanks for that - looks better than the 3 door

I thought these were "fan" mockups, not images from Landrover themselves? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

30th Sep 2011 6:51am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5100

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

pcoote wrote:
mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
No I have not sat in it, I'm just giving an opinion from the designs I have seen, which clearly shows reduced height, increase in front passenger area and stylised tapered rear end. What would you like to see different if it's not perfect in you're opinion. I just want a practical debate rather than the 'get over it' type comments.

Go see it, drive it and understand it before commenting on hypotheticals?

I thought this was a forum, yet again a put down with nothing positive to say.

It is and it has been positive - when you see it you can comment its too small, when you drive it, you can comment about engine choice, when you see all the designs you can comment about their practicabilities.

Personally i am positive - its a great design, i have faith based on the information i have to order in from plan now....whether or not they used a 10mm bolt on a mirror or moved the spare wheel from the rear to underneath doesnt affect the overall package! Mike

30th Sep 2011 8:01am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
No I have not sat in it, I'm just giving an opinion from the designs I have seen, which clearly shows reduced height, increase in front passenger area and stylised tapered rear end. What would you like to see different if it's not perfect in you're opinion. I just want a practical debate rather than the 'get over it' type comments.

Go see it, drive it and understand it before commenting on hypotheticals?

I thought this was a forum, yet again a put down with nothing positive to say.

It is and it has been positive - when you see it you can comment its too small, when you drive it, you can comment about engine choice, when you see all the designs you can comment about their practicabilities.

Personally i am positive - its a great design, i have faith based on the information i have to order in from plan now....whether or not they used a 10mm bolt on a mirror or moved the spare wheel from the rear to underneath doesnt affect the overall package!

But that's saying nobody can be negative until they driven it etc, but its okay to be positive without having seen it? I don't understand that. A better comment would be "we can't say anything either way until we have driven it/seen it in the flesh". Thing is it could well be too late by then, and I think its totally acceptable to pass comment on the proposed specs, the styling and so forth, which we can all see and form an opinion on. Nobody has said they think it will be slow or unstable for example, but the response to the styling has been overwhelmingly negative - please please please look at all the different fora out there, the facebook pages, and so on which prove that. Landrover have definitely got it wrong styling wise, beyond that I don't think anyone is objecting to modern engines etc. The other concerns have come from "proper utility" users who feel they may now have no choice but to look elsewhere than Landrover to supply transport solutions, and I include myself in that catagory. I would have thought by now Landrover would have at least announced that the replacement will definately be able to tow 3500KG for example, we all presume it will, but a lifetyle sports vehicle doesn't need that capability... 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

30th Sep 2011 8:26am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11325

In fairness, LR have said it will be able to do everything that the current Defender can do so, in the absense of evidence otherwise, it's reasonable to assume it will be able to tow 3.5 tonnes.

Without any other technical information, it seems to me that what we've essentially seen so far is a styling exercise that's still some years away from being a production vehicle. Darren

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30th Sep 2011 8:46am

pcoote

Member Since: 01 Aug 2010
Location: Oxford
Posts: 83

22900013A wrote:
JSG wrote:
Thanks for that - looks better than the 3 door

I thought these were "fan" mockups, not images from Landrover themselves?

I got the impression it was a proper Landrover marketing video, but it's not on their website. So it's a bit odd.

30th Sep 2011 8:48am

Surrey Rover

Member Since: 20 Dec 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 360

LandRoverAnorak wrote:

Without any other technical information, it seems to me that what we've essentially seen so far is a styling exercise.

Or possibly the most amazing PR exercise ever. If they do bring out a corker then with all this publicity, expect to be waiting for a very loooong time and paying more than list for a new one.

I'm tempted to speculate and get my money down ASAP just to make some cash on it when the waiting list hit 6 months + Nick

2.2 110 Tipper

30th Sep 2011 8:51am

pcoote

Member Since: 01 Aug 2010
Location: Oxford
Posts: 83

mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
No I have not sat in it, I'm just giving an opinion from the designs I have seen, which clearly shows reduced height, increase in front passenger area and stylised tapered rear end. What would you like to see different if it's not perfect in you're opinion. I just want a practical debate rather than the 'get over it' type comments.

Go see it, drive it and understand it before commenting on hypotheticals?

I thought this was a forum, yet again a put down with nothing positive to say.

It is and it has been positive - when you see it you can comment its too small, when you drive it, you can comment about engine choice, when you see all the designs you can comment about their practicabilities.

Personally i am positive - its a great design, i have faith based on the information i have to order in from plan now....whether or not they used a 10mm bolt on a mirror or moved the spare wheel from the rear to underneath doesnt affect the overall package!

You like it from the design images(assume you have not driven it either) but other people are not allowed to have an opinion if they have reservations. Makes no sense or is just double standards. Ok you like it, good luck to you, I respect your opinion, please respect other peoples.

30th Sep 2011 8:52am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

Surrey Rover wrote:
LandRoverAnorak wrote:

Without any other technical information, it seems to me that what we've essentially seen so far is a styling exercise.

Or possibly the most amazing PR exercise ever. If they do bring out a corker then with all this publicity, expect to be waiting for a very loooong time and paying more than list for a new one.

I'm tempted to speculate and get my money down ASAP just to make some cash on it when the waiting list hit 6 months +

Or its a cynical ploy to increase sales of the current model.

2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

30th Sep 2011 8:55am

Surrey Rover

Member Since: 20 Dec 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 360

22900013A wrote:

Or its a cynical ploy to increase sales of the current model.

Could be, either way if it means money in and continued jobs for them north of Watford I'm not bothered. Nick

2.2 110 Tipper

30th Sep 2011 9:16am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5100

LandRoverAnorak wrote:
In fairness, LR have said it will be able to do everything that the current Defender can do so, in the absense of evidence otherwise, it's reasonable to assume it will be able to tow 3.5 tonnes.

Without any other technical information, it seems to me that what we've essentially seen so far is a styling exercise that's still some years away from being a production vehicle.

+1 Mike

30th Sep 2011 12:04pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5100

pcoote wrote:
mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
mse wrote:
pcoote wrote:
No I have not sat in it, I'm just giving an opinion from the designs I have seen, which clearly shows reduced height, increase in front passenger area and stylised tapered rear end. What would you like to see different if it's not perfect in you're opinion. I just want a practical debate rather than the 'get over it' type comments.

Go see it, drive it and understand it before commenting on hypotheticals?

I thought this was a forum, yet again a put down with nothing positive to say.

It is and it has been positive - when you see it you can comment its too small, when you drive it, you can comment about engine choice, when you see all the designs you can comment about their practicabilities.

Personally i am positive - its a great design, i have faith based on the information i have to order in from plan now....whether or not they used a 10mm bolt on a mirror or moved the spare wheel from the rear to underneath doesnt affect the overall package!

You like it from the design images(assume you have not driven it either) but other people are not allowed to have an opinion if they have reservations. Makes no sense or is just double standards. Ok you like it, good luck to you, I respect your opinion, please respect other peoples.

Its not about respecting others opinion - its just the stupid comments that are coming out about things you cant glean from a photo - that was most likely seen from a negative perspective anyway - that hasnt taken in anything that has been launched and actually most of the real world stuff.

When the pre-production cars are out thats the time to comment....but comments need to be taken in the round and not focusing on a market that the defender died in long ago.

Comments around space, flexibility, capability, characteristics etc have all been answered - the new one will do everything the old one did (you can wash it out, it will have a better load space)...so move with the times! and at least be objective! Im sure the central clocks will be annoying - but then they are annoying on all modern cars and the series the idea came from!!! Mike

30th Sep 2011 12:08pm

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 813

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

LandRoverAnorak wrote:
In fairness, LR have said it will be able to do everything that the current Defender can do so, in the absense of evidence otherwise, it's reasonable to assume it will be able to tow 3.5 tonnes.

Agree LRA - and I think this is partly where some of us are divided:

For example, some (like myself) are assuming it will be more or less as commercially capable as current Defender...
Others are assuming it will not...

Until we know the hard facts, we are basing many of our prejudices on assumptions.
(And some may have a little more inside info than others, I'm interested to see if they are more confident than the rest of us!)

30th Sep 2011 12:14pm

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