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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3139   
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It had a big plate around the middle...in either case if they were all built on the same chassis it only adds to the confusion. If they were still 3500kg in 2010, why would the figure be reduced by the time my brochure was printed (2011 I assume from when I got my 110). So they were by then producing essentially the same vehicle but with two different GVWs. I still can't understand why? I could totally understand different payloads and unladen weights, but why the gross?
As an aside I'm pretty sure early 127s only had a GVW of about 2700KG, they were uprated about the time they got deeper wheels. I'm not sure what other changes occurred. I have to wonder if this change to 3380kg was for the same reason they dropped the factory optional 3500kg version of the 110, which was something to do with c&u regs? Maybe the 130 was affected earlier? 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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25th May 2021 12:38am |
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| Will@LRW Member Since: 04 May 2019 Location: UK Posts: 130 
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This picqued my interest... I've had a trawl through the DVLA data and 3380kg starts appearing with 2011MY (BA) vehicles, and only on the 130 4 door pickups (SALLDKV) and 130 4 door chassis cabs (SALLDKX). There are few on 3500kg but the vast majority are 3380kg.
I wondered if it could have been removal of the helper springs to give the extra passengers a nicer ride that caused the drop in GVW, but this 2012 model has them, so maybe not  . Probably more to do with regulations. The VIN plate will be the key confirmation.
 Click image to enlarge As for the HD 110s after 2011 MY, they were all ROW or Military, except for (at least) 4 that are registered in the UK in 2014 and are 2013 MY. LR Workshop Find a Defender's history and spec: https://defender.lrworkshop.com |
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25th May 2021 3:40pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074 
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Your DCPU was a 2005 TD5? How odd, my 2003 TD5 DCPU is plated for 3500 GVW. |
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25th May 2021 5:03pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3139
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The 110 3500kg was always an option though, so all models aside from the station wagon could be 3050 or 3500.
I'm still none the wiser as to why the 130 four door got down rated though.. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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28th May 2021 4:27pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16858 
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I think this could be one of those Landrover mysteries which we never solve (along with the purpose of the two little panels in the front bulkhead of the rear body, and a few other similar mysteries).
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28th May 2021 5:10pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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Is the chassis of a 130 DCPU different to that of single cab to accommodate the second row footwell? If so, perhaps that precludes the uprating to 3500kg in some way? Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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28th May 2021 11:13pm |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 674 
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My May 2010 130 DCPU is 3500kg
Max front axle weight 1580kg Max rear axle weight 2200kg 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper |
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29th May 2021 9:36am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3996 
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Is there some taxation or legal reason why keeping under 3050kg is important? Was there some reason why it would be advantageous to register it with a 3050kg gross even if mechanically there is no difference.
Possibly coincidence, but I can see that same figure is important as an unladen weight for motor homes in relation to speed limits, but can’t see any relevance to GVW. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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29th May 2021 10:30am |
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| Matt110 Member Since: 29 Jun 2014 Location: UK Posts: 673
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Traditionally on other commercial vehicles with similar configurations... Double cab in vans, transits for instance, they're plated differently because it's assumed you cannot load a passenger compartment area the same way you would a load bed.
Thus... You put 3 abreast in the rear of a 130 dcpu (good luck to you, I guess you could ask them to breathe in and slam the door very hard), that's "only" 3 x75kg (average assumed passenger weight) and 225Kg. To get the vehicle to GVM at 3500Kg you'd then need to exceed the rear axle plated weight. So the GVM is dropped to the maximum you could achieve. With a single cab, you are technically able to move that load further forward and make more of the front plate, thus you can reach the 3500Kg GVM without exceeding either axle load. I've not worked it out for the defender case but that's how it works on vans. What happens if you do that with Defender numbers? I guess it's a mute point if people have also got 130 DCPUs with 3500Kg GVMs. |
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29th May 2021 5:21pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3139
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Did a little more digging on this via my handbook. ROW 130s were all 3500kg gvw, only UK/Europe were reduced and they also had lower train weights which makes sense.
So sounds to me like it was some kind of legal restriction, not an engineering issue, and may be the same causal factor behind the demise of the 3500kg gvw 110s in around 2012, that was something to do with how the weights were measured? 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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4th Jun 2021 10:52pm |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 674
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Just a thought, was the change associated with the addition of ABS and TC to the 130 range, my 2010 130 does not have ABS etc. 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper
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5th Jun 2021 6:26am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16858
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I'm not actually aware of any legal reason why this should have been the case (which doesn't mean it isn't though).
I think that the 130 gained ABS/TC in about 2013, so this is suddenly a very plausible theory. Are there any 3500kg 110s with ABS and TC that we know of? |
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5th Jun 2021 8:52am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3139
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I have ABS/TC on my 110 and certainly the 3500KG option was available at the time, as I nearly specced it.
My handbook dates to 2011 when I got my 110 so the change to lower GVW had already taken place then. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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5th Jun 2021 10:46am |
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| backpacksandroofracks Member Since: 03 Sep 2019 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 8 
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My 2006 TD5 Double Cab 130 has a GVW of 3500kg, just to add to the pot!
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5th Jul 2021 9:58am |
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