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Supacat



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Alpine Lashing Points

Best photos I've seen to date of the feature. Can't make my mind up if they are useful or just a gimmick?


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Ads90



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Yeah, only useful until you put a roof rack on?

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It looks like there are rubbing strips on the roof itself, like the old Sierra estate, which suggests that you don't specifically need a roof rack to make use of them. Obviously there are no details as yet but I'd expect them to make a point about it at the appropriate time.

Edit: sorry, misread that last post. Yes, possibly, although it could also mean that roof racks aren't necessary for a lot of their typical uses. Darren

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Supacat



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It looks like you can do a few things straight out the box without having to fit a roof rack first:


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blackwolf



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I supposes conceptually they are essentially very similar to the roof rails that many vehicles now tend to have, except that they are executed in a way which doesn't increase the overall height of the vehicle.

I can see some advantages, it is inherently much easier to secure a load to the roof with that configuration than it is if the roof bar has both to carry and secure the load.

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DSC-off



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I'm not convinced they're a good idea.
Close up details are yet to be seen, but how do the recesses drain water? Will they just become a trap for dirt and debris that's impossible to keep clean?

In the same way Defender sliding window frames become a moss garden, these could end being window boxes full of plants!

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Intercept



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As the alpine lashing rails are built into the roof structure they would seem ideal roof rack mounting points. Surely better than the roof gutter normally used for that purpose?

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blackwolf



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^^ Agree, ideal for a rack I would think, though clearly the roof itself is designed to be pretty effective as a rack..

Cleanliness is down to the owner.

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Supacat



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DSC-off wrote:
Close up details are yet to be seen, but how do the recesses drain water? Will they just become a trap for dirt and debris that's impossible to keep clean?

The recesses could be open ended? They certainly seem to have a raised profile. So not sure most water, muck and dust is going to get trapped.

It looks very much like Unwin tracking, and in keeping with the the philosophy of the vehicles being a starting point for customers to personalise, I'd very much hope it was generic tracking rather than a bespoke system with no interoperability.


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ChasingOurTrunks



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That's exactly what I'm hoping it is, Supacat. I don't like weight up top, but that system would mean we don't need to worry about it on the Ineos nearly as much as we do with other vehicles.

Right now if you want to outfit a rack for a 4x4, it's a heck of an expensive and heavy proposition. First there's figuring out what the roof load rating is for the vehicle. Then it's finding a mounting system that connects into proper steel (There's been a flurry of conversation in the 4x4 community by some Australian YouTubers about the mounting systems of Rhino Racks, which are rivets, as compared to Front Runner, which are bolt-through). Once you've got that sorted, you pick up the basket. This is usually good enough, but there are some good tools available that can enhance the basket too -- things like lockable jerry can holders, traction board mounts, etc.

The trouble with the above model is that often the mount + basket take up a good percentage of the roof load rating. For example, many Utes have about a 75kg rating, and yet many rack systems are 50kgs or more, leaving very little room for actual gear. Adding on lockable jerry holders and other handy storage solutions further reduces the wiggle room to unuseful levels.

If the Ineos has those tracks as you've pictured, Supacat, it means that the user can totally skip the basket and mount and go straight to the accessories that their use case requires -- so mounting the jerry can holder or traction board mount directly to the roof tracks. That will be a significant weight savings, and also keep a lower profile on the rig too which should help it fit places.

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Looking at the lower of Supacat's first two pics, wouldn't that horrible "nappy" thing under the rear of the vehicle act as a huge mud-scoop when the vehicle is in ruts?

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