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blackwolf



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Tin in Scotland wrote:
... I was told when the gear was removed that at build it wasn’t a legally required piece of kit but that changed not long after mine was built.


That would have been right, but more recently it became illegal to interfere with any emission control equipment that was fitted during the original factory build. Most motor vehicle construction regulations are not retrospective, but it is not explicitly clear what happens in the case of equipment that wasn't legally essential at build time and which has subsequently been removed legally prior to the "no alterations" law, and as far as I know this hasn't been tested by the legal system.

Equipment that was legally required to be fitted at build time but which was subsequently removed prior to such removal becoming illegal almost certainly must be refitted to comply with the law.

As far as the MOT is concerned it all rather depends on whether the tester notices what is or isn't present, and actually knows what should be present.

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Could be interesting times for a lot of D3 and L320 RRS owners with the 2.7 TDv6 engine then because a common thing was to remove and bank off the EGRs when they started to play up. Epsom Green Tdi300 County Hard Top converted into a Station Wagon
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blackwolf



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Yes, and all those decatted and de-egred TD5s and TDCis. I wonder if/when a remap will be considered "tampering with emissions equipment".

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AT1963



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You’ve probably lessened your MPG, decreased your power and created more emmisions doing that than it was before as it’s more efficient and with a tune it brings the fuelling efficiency much more up to a high standard. Couple that with using a fuel additive I’d say they are worse out the factory than with a few mods as it improves efficiency and fuelling characteristics.
Except CAT removal, I think that certainly isn’t a good thing..


I like standard defenders and realise that a defender is not a road performance vehicle but a hard working utility vehicle. So my take is not to tinker with the (engine) design of the defender but maintain it as a classic original workhorse.
I have no interest in modifications to make it better and recognise that an unmodified engine has potentially more longevity.
However, each to their own.

I think that as the surge in more environmentally friendly vehicles continues, the greater the scrutiny will be on older more polluting vehicles (defender) and in time they will begin to penalise us for our modifications.
One user on this forum recognised this and suggested you retain the EGR and fittings if you blank it to return it back to original when the time comes.
If this was a good thing to do why do you all not confess to your insurance companies and MOT testers what has been modified? Be interested in the feedback you get

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i'm pretty sure I'm right in saying there's a inch square sticker under the bonnet on the bulkhead near the clutch fluid reservoir that indicates if an egr was fitted or not. it was suggested it was removed. i have a 1995 300tdi and no mot problems. 110 Defender 300tdi & modified Trailer Widetrack mk3 & maggiolina rooftent

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Laugh is, My HDI has went through every single MOT, with out a Cat on, Its never had one on for 11 years. Also the EGR was blanked off some time ago too.
The TD5 was the 1st mod i did was bin off the EGR, and it went through an MOT, The 300 TDI i binned off the cat and EGR and that still passed, but failed on daft stuff, that the garage took the mick with. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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blackwolf wrote:
Yes, and all those decatted and de-egred TD5s and TDCis. I wonder if/when a remap will be considered "tampering with emissions equipment".


I'm not sure how a tester could tell if it's been remapped, or if they'd be interested looking for that at only 40 quid a car. I do think it's only a matter of time until they start actively looking for blanked egr's and decats though.
Stupidly loud exhausts may also be on the agenda soon. Councils and MP's are getting loads of noise complaints around here. Most of the ones I hear would fail circuit noise limits let alone MOT standards. Also easy money for the Government if the Police can start dishing out fines. WARNING.
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They already do check for CAT presence, EGR also, exhaust volume I’m not sure on but a dab meter may well be avilable. Their main interest is critical safety such as braking, tyres, lighting of all types and steering and get really critical components.

Regarding exhaust volume, around this way it’s mostly motorbikes but some cars too.

Many get the MOT done, swap the system annually over in between. (Logic tells you they do this).
I think there is a dB limit set by law anyway similar in a way to window tint light percentage is, I think this is for cars but motorbikes exceed that massively.

I can only but imagine they present the vehicles / bikes for MOT in standard form then swap parts over.

That being said on the flip side there are those out there with zero interest in their vehicle and will happily drive on bald tyres or with brake lights out etc. And had it not be for the MOT they’d drive some until the wheels came off.

It’s like the speeding thing, despite it all it’s still happening all the time. Past present and future. Diesels Lives Matter


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Bikes already have to comply with noise regs......

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And is the dB limit the same as cars? Diesels Lives Matter

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*Deleted* Double post. * Diesels Lives Matter

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Not sure but found this.....

The old limit of 80 dB(A) for motorcycles has disappeared with the adoption of the Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) No 134/2014 and is replaced by the standard from the UNECE Regulation 41, which is 77 dB(A).

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Would be interesting to compare to car limits for noise production.

I wonder how super cars come off with this? Surely vehicles like Ferrari’s, Lamborghinis, Mc Laren must be louder than the limit or do they have systems fitted especially to comply. I’m guessing they do, but then there is bound to be a significant difference between testing at idle and at full throttle and stationary and in motion.

I don’t mind so much unless people speed and race, not far fro us there is a 50mph limited B road.
About a 1/4 mile away a 60mph speed limit dose carriage way. In the summer there is no doubt superbikes, super cars and some modified vehicles do well in excess of 80mph almost every day. The dual carriageway especially as you can tell how fast pretty much by going up though the gears and revs.

They go along one side, to the roundabout, around it then race up the other side, side by side against one another.

A few years ago emergency services had to recover a deceased individual from a tree due to such behaviour in that very area.
When they found out the cause it was determined they were racing and the car was travelling somewhere between 100 and 110 mph.
Clipped the curb and lost control. Neutral Diesels Lives Matter

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